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Pic of my 308 motor with the latest goodies!

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  1. luckydynes

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  2. James in Denver

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    Holy crap thats cool! Thats a great looking engine.
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  3. TGF

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    I agree, it's neat. It looks nothing like my relatively stock set-up.
     
  4. luckydynes

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    Thanks . . . it's been an itterative process over the past year.

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  5. Mike C

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    That's one simplified engine bay -- NICE!

    How about a pic or two from further back so we can see more?
     
  6. luckydynes

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  7. Mr. Nice Guy

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    WOW! Very nice!
     
  8. Ferraripilot

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    Ok how did you get that to work. What brain module did you use to fire the coils, and where are you getting power for wach one of those coils? I am very curious cause I thought about doing the same thing. To me, it looks much cleaner than the electromotive set-up and will operate jsut as well.
     
  9. luckydynes

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    Thank you, thank you.

    Fchat has been a great resource and motivator for me . . . gearheads are a dieing breed.


    Sean
     
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    Ok, I gotta ask -- what's the function of the hose to the oil filler opening?
     
  11. luckydynes

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    I'm using a Haltech E6x ECU for the brain. It controls the fuel injection also. When I first installed the ECU I still had the stock fuel injection on it. I copied the timing curve from the manual for the euro car and mistakingly ended up with 42 deg full advance (stock compression, etc.). It really livened up the stock motor though since it had such low compression. That was with the stock dizzy's and stock Ferrari triggers also. When I started using the Haltech triggers with the dizzy's it smoothed up the idle . . . I don't think the signal from the stock triggers was "clean" but there are some filters I could of played with if I wanted. Keep this in mind though . . . can't use the stock triggers with direct fire ignition. I made an adapter that fit in the harmonic balancer that holds the magnets the Haltech reccomends for triggers . . .. you can also do the E-motive set up with the missing tooth, etc. The stock triggers will only work if you continue to use dizzy's because of the number of pulses generated per rev is only enough for dizzy's - not direct fire.

    This motor is higher compression and for some reason the COP's and MSD ignition unit reduced pinging and allowed me to advance the timing back to 36-38 degrees like the factory euro cars had . . . was only able to run 28 degress full advance with dizzy's and high comp motor before doing the direct fire but this could of been bad plug wire creating electronic noise or? One of the plug extenders had a burn in the side so it could of been creating noise also.


    Sean
     
  12. luckydynes

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    I was just trying to get more crankcase ventilation . . . there's a little K&N filter on the end of it. The rear main leaked when I first built this motor which made me think the crankcase was not venting enough at high rpm. I added a PCV system also but eventually the rear main stopped leaking I think once the rings seated. Not sure if it's doing any good any more. Doing a little research it seemed a good thing to be pulling blow by gas out of the block . . . pulling a vacum with a dry sump system is the ultimate which is why I also started working on that.


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  13. GrigioGuy

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    Thanks. I kinda figured it was something like that, but didn't want to assume on a heavily modified engine.

    Clean install, looks great!
     
  14. luckydynes

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    #14 luckydynes, Jun 1, 2007
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    Thanks . . . here's a pic of my nitrous injection plate that's going on next.


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  15. Corsa308

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    Have you done anything to the water pump and piping etc? or does it look different because there is no air feed going over the top of it and now we are just seeing what is usually hidden?
     
  16. luckydynes

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    Nope, that's what lies beneath.
     
  17. snj5

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    Check-frickin-plus.
    That is one outstandingly well done engine bay.
    Very well done and you are an inspiration yourself!

    Any dyno numbers on that work of art?

    Great job!
     
  18. luckydynes

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    Why thank you.

    I have g-force acceleration numbers from my data acquisition system. I backed out some hp numbers based on weight, etc. Someone else run the numbers (stock weight roughly) . . . wasn't what I was hoping for but that's why I'm playing with nitrous . . . never enough until you get the two black lines from one corner to the other. Flat line pull is around .62 g's which I don't think is that impressive hp wise. If I'm malicous with the clutch or lurch it from decel to full throttle I'll get .7 g's but she's running so good right now that I'm trying to be a little gentle.

    You want some screen shots from my data acq system? Shows air/fuel ratio, etc. and you guys might have some tuning advice, etc.

    Sean

    edit: I weight "roughly" 200 lbs and give me the benefit of the doubt and a full tank of gas if you're running hp numbers . . . hot day also
     
  19. snj5

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    It sounds pretty darn good to me and would not neccesarily take those g-numbers to the bank on hp - a $100 dyno run with A/F and rwhp would tell a much more accurate tale.
    I would love to see the A/F vs rpm plots and ignition advance if you have them.

    Many thanks

    rt
     
  20. luckydynes

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    I'll pull that data acq stuff off my other lap top. I posted my ignition advance curves a long time ago in an excel spread sheet. I had the vacum reversed at that time . . . that'll make sense if you look at it. I'll do a screen shot of the actual 3d map I'm running also. I don't think there's an official file ouput . . . ther laptop also.

    Happy to return some inspiration!

    Sean
     
  21. 350HPMondial

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    Sean,

    Wow, best ever NA engine!
    I used to run a Haltec E6 (old).. I would be interested in obtaining a copy of your map.

    I will eventually add port injection to my 1981 Euro Mondial 8.

    Edwardo
     
  22. luckydynes

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    Thanks. Different cams in my engine also . . . not sure how useful the map would be unless you built your engine similar to mine. I want to try and simplify/automate the mapping process using my wideband O2 and data logging in closed loop operation. It's way off in some places but it's pretty good at WOT which is where it matters most.

    FYI I made extras of all the fuel injector adapters/holders which do not require any permanents mod's to the intake.

    I data logged a pretty good launch this morning and will post a screen shot later.

    Thanks again,

    Sean
     
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  25. kris308

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    wow!! that is beautiful. I am presently all stock, but you're making me jealous!!!!
     

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