Converted to Comp. Daytonas

You would have to pay twice the price this car sold for to do a proper 365GTB4/C conversion.

 

MSD - Dutchman Piet Roelofs is the man for these upgraded Coupe's

Mike Sheehan has one of them - Ch #12681 which he races in the US Shell Historic Challenge with a 450 bhp + Caribou motor.

Roelofs has built 7 I think to date - heavy duty transaxle, faithful body upgrades - go like the wind!!

None of them in UK although #12681 nearly made it 2 years ago!

 

i guess it's a matter of time before these are all crushed as they were not originally factory race cars. someone should alert the Italian government about these. what a disgrace these replica race cars are. someone, anyone, quick-- call the crusher hotline ASAP before these blasphemous abominations are raced in club events.

 

And what would be an original Factory car then? A 308 Michelotto? Or a Nart Spider? Or maybe the 250 Breadvan? When we look at this as the standard for racing acceptance, it would be very quiet at the tracks..

I agree that only original cars should enter official races and rallys, but these conversion are not sold as original.

 

Piet Roelofs has a long established, well respected Ferrari shop in Rhenen NL which has helped keep many orginal and upgraded Ferrari's on road/track just ask Henk/Nico Koel/John Bosch.

Other shops have tried to produce Daytona Comp lookalikes including Bacchelli and Villa and Sport Auto in Italy without the same dramatic effect

With 5 of the original Comp Daytona's currently for sale in Europe at circa US 2.25 million each and the balance in long term ownership, should we not be encouraging owners of upgraded Comp Daytona's to use them in events worldwide - providing they don't assume a history along the way or are offered to the market as an original?

Thankfully the V12 marketplace has anoraks (their words not mine) like Mike Sheehan,Marcel Massini and Gerald Roush who actively research and maintain records on these cars which can help the prospective purchaser and dissuade the dodgy dealer!

Presumably bonzelite would like to see the Lancia D50's that were built by Jim Stokes and Guido Rosani (from a large percentage of original parts) suffer the same fate rather than continue the memory.....

 

Here is my overall list of daytona comp. conversions.

Additions are welcom.


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Being sarcastic i hope ?

 

i want to gauge reactions to the fascist neo-nazi-like Italian government policy of crushing vintage replicas as i know some people probably agree with it. and if not that specific act, there is a leaning by some to have tremendous disdain for altered Ferraris.

for all purposes, to the purist Ferrari community, these GTB/4 conversions are probably blasphemous acts of high treason. and i am willing to bet that a handful of aficionados actually consider the conversions to be purely replica Ferraris even though they are originally GTB/4 bodies and are not replicas in the purest sense.

some people in the Ferrari community regard vintage rebodied Ferraris, with bodies built by legitimate Ferrari suppliers of the era, on original Ferrari SN# frames, to be bogus pieces not worthy of any praises or notoriety. i have already seen it in the short time i have been a member here. so an altered Ferrari must fit somewhere in there.

this thread can potentially reveal a greater rift in the Ferraristi. personally, i don't give a damn about the conversions or even the replicas, purely newly-constructed replica bodies or rebodies, or conversions using original Ferrari parts to create an un-originally intended car. if i have prior knowledge of such conversions or acts of replication, that does not completely ruin the experience for me.

if i am buying a replica and it is passed off as original, that is fraudulent and does compromise many things. however these conversions are openly revealed to be conversions and can be enjoyed as homages to the originals for fans to enjoy worldwide at special events and track days.

as well, were i in the market for a 365 GTB/4, i would want a non-race car that i could drive on the street.

 

Bonzelite - I couldnt agree more.

Daytona's are sturdy and a popular choice for European competitive events - Tour Auto, Modena Centro D'Oro,Trofeo Baleares etc.

To their considerable credit John Bosch, Arnold Meier and Carlos Monteverde are all racers of the originals but when the real thing is US $2.25 million,some owners might be inclined to "park" them and compete with a faithfully executed upgrade/ replica - are organisers really going to refuse an entry for such a car?

In Ferraristi circles this is justifably an immotive issue, but as is evident elsewhere in the Vintage thread, people are still building replicas and trying to pass them off as the real deal.

 

Some owners will produce a replica, no problem but TELL it and do not be so stupid and say to everyone it is the original.

 

interesting read. thanks for that link.

damn the 365 GTB/4 looks good.

 

I agree, that was a great read

 

We bought a badly crashed Daytona a couple of years back and have made a new alloy body to take the wide mag rims. I'll load some phots in the next day or two. An interesting part of the project was using the standard engine fitted with ram stacks and a Roelofs competition exhaust. It dyno'd at 392bhp at 6900rpm with a fantastic torque curve. Total weight should be 1200kg giving equivalent performance to the heavier steel cars with their peakier 450bhp motors and be useable as every day road car (if you really wanted to). We've sold it (to be finished off) to a Portuguese customer.

 

chassis # is 13383

 

a few real ones here though iirc

 

Here are some photos. The car is loaded up with parts ready to go to Portugal and very dusty as it should have been collected 3 weeks ago and didn't get covered.
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Amazing! Is it going to a client in Portugal? A show? Or to race?

Thanks for sharing?

 

EUROFOOSE????????? pLS EXPLAIN

 

Chip Foose is a designer/builder of custom cars here in the US.