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  1. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Hard call for me schmac,hamilton ,Alonso

    if your using the (how well the 2nd driver gets placed) up to now!! hamilton would have to be your 2nd choice .and unfair to take rubens as a threat to beat schumac

     
  2. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    If Lewis wins the WDC, Alonso will be bumped to wearing the #2 car. Sucks for him...
     
  3. tifosi12

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    He might be "bumped" to wearing the #6 car.
     
  4. Prova85

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    Lest we not forget Hami wasn't racing in F1 at 19 like Vettel did. Give Vettel a couple of years to play with a McL then make a comparison. Too bad that ain't gonna happen.
     
  5. kizdan

    kizdan F1 Veteran

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    Well, no.

    When Alonso won the WC in;
    2006, Fisi finished 4th.
    2005, Fisi finished 5th.

    When Schumey won in;
    2003, Rubens finished 4th.
    2001, Rubens finished 3rd.
    2000, Rubens finished 4th.
    1995, Herbert finished 4th.
    1994, team mate didn't even finish in the top 6.

    If Hamilton wins it this year, I have to believe Alonso would finish 2nd. thus I would give more credit to the car than I would the driver.
     
  6. BMW.SauberF1Team

    BMW.SauberF1Team F1 World Champ

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    You mean he would replace Kubica in the BMW Sauber next year?! :)

    I know you meant Ferrari, but they'll be wearing #3 and #4 while BMW Sauber has #5 and #6. ;)
     
  7. tifosi12

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    I have officially been outsmarted. I'll grab my torch now...
     
  8. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    ok point taken

    On a further note do you think McLaren’s policy of allowing its drivers to race on equal terms will ultimately backfire? As so much tension between the two cannot always be helpfull

     
  9. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    had me scratching my head then yours always so right


     
  10. Senna3xWC

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    No need. If you can't already tell that Vettel is not at the level of Hamilton, a year or two in a McLaren won't prove anything to you either.
     
  11. tifosi12

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    +1

    I don't have the stats on these guys, but I would bet Hamilton's history up until he was 19 is probably more impressive than Vettel's.

    Carol?
     
  12. kizdan

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    It could backfire, yes, however it is unlikely.

    The last time that happened (perhaps the only time?), was in 1986 when Piquet and Mansell had such a close battle for the WC in their Williams, Alain Prost in his McLaren snuck in under the radar screen and beat them both out for the WC - he won by only 2 points, and Mansell beat Piquet by only 1 point!
     
  13. tifosi12

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    True. You could probably make a similar case for the 1981 title where Piquet "stole" it from the Williams guys (Jones, Reutemann) and to some degree for Rosberg in 84 when the Ferrari boys duelled each other into the grave/hospital.

    People often lament team orders, but there is a time and a place for them.
     
  14. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    do you guys just quote this F1 history out your heads if so am impressed ?
     
  15. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Actually I do. It's what I care about. :)

    Ask me about football, basketball, baseball, hockey, soccer, tennis, golf you name it, and all you get is a blank stare back. :)

    Stats however I have to look up.
     
  16. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    well i am a rookie but we know how good they can be!!

    nice one her indoors is getting concerned at the amount of time my car and this site take up but what the hell you must have heard of david beckham tho



     
  17. kizdan

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    I have been following F1 for about 20 years, and like Andreas, it is the sport I am most passionate about.
     
  18. ItaliaF1

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    +10
     
  19. kizdan

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    True, '81 was indeed very close as well.
     
  20. SRT Mike

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    Unfortunately for Alonso, it's not how quick you are over one lap but how quick you are over 70 laps or so.

    By the only measure that counts, Hamilton has been faster than Alonso most of the season, both in qualifying and in the race. To say Alonso has been quicker is like saying that a F430 has better gas mileage than a Civic. Maybe it has better instantaneous gas mileage - if you get it up to 100mph and then take your foot off the gas pedal. But that's not the metric that counts - just like single-lap speed isnt the metric that counts.
     
  21. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    The question now shifts from “Can Lewis win the title?” to “Will Lewis win the title?”, as he has shown all the necessary qualities to win it. of course I am a red fan but got to be realistic


     
  22. Senna1994

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    +1 even Ralf Schumacher had Hill in his sights at Jordan.
     
  23. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    But then again we see that in F1 passing on track is nearly impossible. Especially at a place like Indy when the car you're trying to pass is exactly the same in top speed for the straight. Even if Alonso was .1 seconds quicker per lap if he had clean air in front of him, it wouldn't matter when you're stuck behind a car. It's just the way it is with the aerodynamics of the cars. You just have to wait for the car in front of you to make a mistake or hope the pit strategy works. And Hamilton has done great with making no mistakes.
     
  24. maxorido

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    Some of you seem to think that Lewis has been testing a Mclaren for years, but that's not the case. Hamilton was interviewed mid season by ITV or something when he was in GP2 last year. He was asked if he's tested the Mclaren before, he responded that he's done a couple of straight line drags with it, but that was it. So aparently, he didn't start any serious testing in the car until after he won that GP2 title.
     
  25. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    If true a great talent

    It is just a question now of whether fate will intervene with a retirement somewhere, or whether Alonso will get the upper hand on tracks like Magny-Cours, where he has always been strong and where Lewis had a poor race last year in GP2.

    But Lewis has a 10-point lead over him in the world championship, which means he can finish second to Alonso for the next five races before his lead comes under threat.

    And with the reds seeming to be off the pace, Alonso has to do it all himself.

    An engine failure for Lewis would level things, of course, and in this business it is always a possibility, as Schumacher and Alonso both found at a critical point last year.

    McLaren cannot get both cars to the finish at every race and their first retirement is going to have a profound effect on the championship one way or another.


     

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