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Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by Bertocchi, Jan 14, 2006.

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  1. krasnavian

    krasnavian Formula 3

    Dec 24, 2003
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    I have confirmed that the model companies are using a Valvoline sticker in their representations of the car in this livery. Any reason they should have erred in this when every other detail is correct?

    Steve expressed a doubt about this.
     
  2. VRM

    VRM Karting

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    I have been trying to figure out this sticker off and on for about 7 years. I am very sure that it is not a Valvoline. The Valvoline represents a 'best guess' on the part of the modelmakers. They know something goes there, and they know it is red and white. The Valvoline is close enough for their purposes. Besides, other than detail fanatics like myself, who is ever going to tell them thatthey are wrong?

    The sticker is on this Ferrari, a Corvette Z06 from the '65 Sebring race, and a 289 Cobra from another race. Both the Z06 and GTO had extra lights, I don't know if the Cobra did or not. It could be something other than lights, but I don't know what.

    Steve
     
  3. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

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    Hmmm, surely if they were putting this sticker on a Ferrari of that period other race cars of that same period probably stuck the same sticker on ... thus has anybody checked the cars it raced against to see if there is a similar looking sticker, and there also might be a better photo of?

    Pete
     
  4. Bertocchi

    Bertocchi Formula 3
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  5. VRM

    VRM Karting

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    David,
    Can I buy a copy of that photo from you? A real photo processed from the original negative or slide should be clear enough to read with my loupe, or scanned and blown up on my PC. I have been able to do this with other photos with a high rate of success, but I need a real photo to start with.

    This is by far the best photo I have ever seen of this.

    I live in Dracut, MA (a little south of Nashua). I have no problem drving up to pick one up if you are willing. I can even do the running around to get the photo processed if you don't have time.

    Thanks,
    Steve
     
  6. t walgamuth

    t walgamuth Formula Junior

    Mar 13, 2005
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    It must be a product that all types of cars use....Hella lights?

    Tom W
     
  7. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

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    Now we are thinking along the lines of what I said ... thus again have a look at other photos of OTHER cars and see if there is a similar looking sticker. If you are lucky the sticker will be clearer, or the car still has it.

    Its unlikely to be unique to this particular car ... think outside the square guys :D
    Pete
     
  8. ED59

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    Oct 28, 2005
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    Do not trust Model cars "companies"... I know, I owe one! ;-)

    Lots of mistakes still live, especially if a "great name" made the mistake at first, as AMR did, adding two yellow border lines to 3705GT blue/white/red stripes...

    David, if I could buy also a copy, could be great. I'm now planning to make 1/24th decals for GTOs....
     
  9. VRM

    VRM Karting

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    As I mentioned before, it shows up on 1 289 Cobra, and one 1963 Z06 Corvette. The GTOs team home was Texas, the Corvette and Cobra were PA and Ohio, respectively. The stickers were on cars two years apart ('63 for the GTO and Cobra, and '65 for the Vette.

    This is after a few years of looking. I also have a fairly good library covering Corvettes, Cobras, Ferraris, Astons, Maseratis, Alfas, Jags, MGs, and a bunch of other stuff. I also have a bunch of vintage magazines and have looked through all of them hoping that one of the ads might look like something. It does not show up anywhere but those three cars.

    Steve
     
  10. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

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    What a shame ... gee this is a tough one then!

    Hopefully the internet will solve it as somebody might recognise it ...
    Pete
     
  11. Bertocchi

    Bertocchi Formula 3
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  12. thepinkumbrella

    thepinkumbrella F1 Veteran

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    #2487 thepinkumbrella, Jun 28, 2007
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    This is a picture of a 1/12 scale model I used to own of 3987.

    Unfortunately now sold so I cant check.
    Looks like Valvoline from the model
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  13. VRM

    VRM Karting

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    David,
    I understand about loaning the negs - can you make an 8x10 photo for me? CVS can do them just fine. I will be happy to pay your costs and for your time.
    The photo process usually gives a better resolution than most of our computers can - that's whay it is usually better to work from a photo.

    The owner of the Corvette and I would be very grateful if you could help us out with this.

    Thanks!
    Steve
     
  14. P 4 Staff

    P 4 Staff Rookie

    Feb 10, 2004
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    Obviously a tough one...well how´s about the "FERODO STAG" ?

    Best: Staffan.
     
  15. Bertocchi

    Bertocchi Formula 3
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  16. GIOTTO

    GIOTTO F1 Rookie
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    Thank you Bertocchi for all your beautifull photos!
    This one is Le mans 1962.
    N°17 - 250GTO#3387GT
    N°28 - 246SP#0796
    N°21 - 250GT#2643GT
    N°16 - 250GT#2819GT
    N°59 - 250GT#2445GT
     
  17. 246tasman

    246tasman Formula 3

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    And just behind the 246 is the Lawrence/Shepherd-Barron class winning Morgan +4. Great photo.
     
  18. t walgamuth

    t walgamuth Formula Junior

    Mar 13, 2005
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    Is car #59 a pf coupe by chance? Just looked at the pf coupe registry....it must be a SWB then?

    Pure oil had a sunburst looking logo, didn't it?

    Tom W
     
  19. Bertocchi

    Bertocchi Formula 3
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    Attached is a hotlink to a larger format photo of the same shot. It may make the identifying process easier.

    [​IMG]
    Shot at 2007-07-08
     
  20. t walgamuth

    t walgamuth Formula Junior

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    That is a wonderful picture.

    Thanks for sharing/

    Tom W
     
  21. piloti

    piloti Formula 3
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  22. Sire Bruno de Losckley

    Aug 1, 2006
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    n° 44 is Pedro Rodriguez/330 Tri/LM "0808"
    le 22/9/62 Gp du Canada à Mosport ?
     
  23. MJarrettR

    MJarrettR Formula 3

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    Hi Nathan,

    Thanks for posting the photos. Where/when was the photo of the 166 Spyder Corsa taken? Was it one of the Bamford cars?

    -Jarrett
     
  24. piloti

    piloti Formula 3
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    Hi Jarrett
    The answer is that I haven't any idea. The photo is from my collection but not taken by me. Identifying the car isn't difficult (it's quite well known) but where and when the photo was taken is more difficult.
    Nathan
     
  25. VRM

    VRM Karting

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    David,
    So is there any chance of being able to purchase an 8x10 of the photo that this came from? The owner of the car being restored is very willing to compensate you accordingly.

    This really is the best that I have seen so far, and a photo has better resolution than a digital scan of the same photo.

    Thanks,
    Steve
     

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