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Water coolant temperature too low -what to do ?

Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by AndersJL, Jul 4, 2007.

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  1. AndersJL

    AndersJL Formula Junior

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    #1 AndersJL, Jul 4, 2007
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    I have a 550 Maranello -00, and since I bought it, the water temp don´t seem to come up, unless driving in the city (which I avoid), and when pushing it hard (which do happens...). However, when just cruising on the highway or so, the temp seldom reaches above the "50" deg. C mark.
    I have changed the thermostat, with a small effect, but way from what it should be. Now the temp is just above the "50" mark.
    There is a small difference with the outside temp. but not a dramatic one.
    Some say it is a software matter, where the former owner may have had the curves changed, however, the local rep can not find any such notes.
    When standing still on idle, the fans seems to operate more intense or come on more often than other 550s.
    -Any ideas ? Regards Anders
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  2. Iain

    Iain F1 Rookie

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    Since you have had the T'stat changed you'd have to suspect the gauge or the sender. What is the temp on the gauge when the fans cut in?

    Before you start changing parts out though, get an infra red thermometer & see what the temperature in the radiator & expansion tank actually is. Do these feel hotter than 50? It shouldn't be hard to tell. If they do then the gauge must be off & that could be the gauge or more likely the water temp sender.

    Parts 33 & 39 on this Diag - not sure which you actually need (!) Ones £8 & the other's £70 !!

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    rgds

    Iain
     
  3. 2NA

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    If your cooling fans are cycling, I suspect your temp is okay. Check the temp with the infra-red gun (check the temp at the thermostat housing as well).


    It's pretty uncommon for a car to run too cool. A lot better than the opposite.
     
  4. gatsby

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    Boy, what a nice problem to have!
     
  5. AndersJL

    AndersJL Formula Junior

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    Many thank for the hints.
    I will get working on it once I have found an infra red gun.

    Best regards
    Anders
     
  6. Hans

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    Holler if you can't find one. I've got a simple unit that you could borrow.

    Hans

    (in The Netherlands)

    P.S. companies like Conrad or Farnell tend to have these for not all that much money. I believe I've paid 60 euro or so for mine...
     
  7. PAP 348

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    My thoughts also Iain ;)
     
  8. bretm

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    Instead of waiting to get an infrared temp gun, just pop the hood and touch the radiator after it has gotten hot enough for the fans to cycle on. Surely you can feel the difference between 50d C and 100d C...

    It's not a bad idea to get an IR gun to check with, just not necessary to diagnose this if a gun isn't readily available.
     
  9. 15765

    15765 Formula Junior

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    I am having the same problem with a 550 of the water temp gauge returning to cold (between the bottom and the first line) from the third line when you go onto the Freeway within 1 mile and after about 2 more miles the Oil temp gauge also drops to below the first line on the gauge, so I am sure the engine is actually cooling off. As soon as I get off the Freeway the water temp goes rite back up too the third line (before you can find a safe spot to stop and open the hood to use the IR temp gauge) and the Oil temp starts coming back up. Has anyone else had this problem and if so were you able to fix it.
     
  10. Iain

    Iain F1 Rookie

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    Those are the usual symptoms of a duff thermostat. At higher constant speed the engine gets more cooling so when the thermostat stays open (because the spring is old & weak) the thing cools down too much.
     
  11. FasterIsBetter

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    Are you sure you don't have air in the system? Depending on where the temperature gauge sensor is located, if there is air in the system and the sensor is not touching coolant, it will give a false (low) reading. It is also possible that the sensor itself is bad. Iain is also right about the possibility of the thermostat being defective. When it was changed, did the mechanic (or you) test the new one in hot water before installing it? Simple enough to do.

    If you touch the radiator and it is good and hot, and the fans come one at idle, I would suspect that it is either air or a bad sensor, not a bad thermostat. Of course the wire from sensor to gauge could be a problem as well.
     
  12. Crowndog

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    Agree here. Same issue and it was a bad t-stat. No guarantee a new one is any better. It should be tested before using it IMHO.


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  13. cavlino

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    Yes, test the Thermostat before installing. I had a new one put in after a major service and it was bad. I had to replace it with yet another new one to get the temps back to normal.
     
  14. Mozella

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    I ALWAYS test both the old and new thermostat. All it takes is a pot of water, a thermometer, and a stove. What you hope to see is the old one fail (either open or closed, depending on the symptoms) and the new one move from closed to open as the water gets hot.

    I've seen new ones which were bad. And if the old one works just fine, you may have misdiagnosed the original problem, but at least you've learned something.
     

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