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  1. joe sackey

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    Dont know their chassis numbers.

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    cheers for answering those joe :)
    lucky i read it twice, when i looked initially i thought you'd only answered the last question - the quote system on here is a bit of pia isnt it.

    i take it this means that the cars are now easier to drive than when they left the factory.
    Does this not count as a modifcation from its original factory spec :p (joke)


    thatd be quite something, and the value would be astronomical methinks.

    i had a feeling this might be the case - i remember reading something about the vents on the rear of the 250 gto unknowingly helping stability
    On the later countach the spats make the arches bigger and that means more air can get caught in them i guess.
     
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    Stunning!!! Doesnt look like it has seen the road much! Mileage?
     
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    16K since new....500 or so since 'over the top' restoration done by Mike at Evans Automotive nearly 2 years ago. Just pampering perhaps the world's finest dd??? I get flack for not driving the hell out of it, instead I drive it nicely around the curvy clean dusk hours on the north shore of Lake Tahoe for exercise avoiding the law!!!

    when it is dry of course!!!
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    Gorgeous!
     
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    I realize that a properly maintained all original low mileage car 'might' be considered 'the best'.....I owned an '81/'82 white/red with 3,000 original miles back in the 90's, so I know what the original 'factory' finished cars looked like with all thier 'flaws', let's just say that my '86 dd is WAY better finished than any CT the factory ever completed...a testament to Mike's work at Evans - he is just too good.
     
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    Wow.. I was momentarily left speechless; at the 5:30 mark, where the Diablo pulls out from behind the Countach you can see how the the D's design is an evolution of the CT. Never noticed that before - the author of that design is a genius!
     
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    new here today, and I had no idea that this CT thread existed....and just wanted to say that this thread is a CT lover's dream. Thank you Joe for sharing everything you have shared here. Wow!
     
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    That's such a great Countach!
     
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    Arent they all? :D

    Ditto! Oh and umm....I know this is not the proper thread to say the f-word but....you have a Dino too? :D:D:D Please do tell....
     
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    Youre welcome.

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    Not a Wolf Countach Im afraid.

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    I have always viewed auctions as a measure-of-last-resort down on the list from private sales, broker-facilitated sales, dealer sales etc. With sellers fees at 10%, youve got to be pretty anxious to sell to run it through an auction (experienced brokers of classic cars generally charge 3-5%). In the trade, it is well-known that most of the cars that run through auctions have been 'available' for some time without finding new homes.
    The benefit of the auction process is that on the night the car can instantly find a new home and the deal can be immediately sealed. So this can be an efficient way for some to 'dispose' of a classic.
    However, the real downside of an auction is that the 'high bid' for a particular car can typcast it as being worth no more than that number in the minds of collectors & enthusiasts. If the car is a 'no-sell' at a low bid, it can be quite a problem for seller whose car now has a perceived lower value.
    At any rate, it is generally accepted that auction prices are a reflection on what the public at large is willing to pay so many feel the numbers acheived are real values.

    Enthusiasts (this writer included) will be watching the Russo and Steele auction very closely as a Miura SV, Miura S and Countach LP400 go across the block this August. One can imagine that we will find out what they are really worth in short order.
    One interesting car is this right-hand-drive Countach LP400.

    http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1976_lamborghini_countachlp400/7160.html

    Reading the text I am confused as to whether it was in fact owned by Adnan Khassoggi or not? The text states "It is rumored to have belonged to Khassoggi", then it states "If Khassoggi owned the car since new....", and it goes on to conclude "we beleive that this is a one owner car..." .
    Can anyone tell us if he owned it or not and if he did what documentation supports that assertion? I ask simply because I have a party that would be an interested buyer at a real market price.

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    I think Auctions can be fun...a lot of excitement in the air. Every one I have ever been to has always had excitment in both directions....

    Shock for WOW, that car went for that MUCH!!

    WOW that was a hell of a buy.

    Its a crap shot either way.

    I think this year, for SELLERS of USA cars will be good. There is already a record number of EURO and ASIAN bidders signed up. There money is worth more than ours and they will be over here basicaly paying 70 cents on the dollar in some cases. So I think you will see prices go higher than normal, BUT only to the out of USA buyer. I think we will be suprised as to how many of these fine cars leave the USA after August 17/18/19th. I dont know about other Auction Houses or other persons, BUT I have never paid 10% commission, I only pay a 5% fee...which for the most part is LESS that other sales routes fees...

    I dont view these auctions as last resorts. Those auctions are the broker wholesale auctions, where dealers trade back and forth cars that have sat on their lots for a period of time. I view these auctions as a quick down and dirty get it down fun run!!

    You have buyers and seller together, they all KNOW it is going to go, with "No Reserve" cars for sure AND EVEN with "Reserve" cars. Many a time if the car gets close to the "Reserve" the owner on site will take off the cap and let it go. You also have to remember a lot of the buyers have traveled the distance for this event and DO NOT want to go home empty handed. These auctions DO CUT out the private "broker" "locater" etc etc out of his money..but does no harm what so ever to an established Dealer.

    For all the cars I have run through Auctions I have always come out where I wanted AND most of the time BETTER. I will have 5 of my cars at the Auction this year at R/S...and look forward to the fun and buildup of the hammer drop.

    As far as the RHD car. I have that car listed for Steve on my site, as well as I will be running it through the auction for him. My understanding is he is still awaiting paperwork showing the owner. It is in the form of both cancelled checks paid for the car as well as service records and a bill of shipping in his name from England to his home in the Middle East.

    I AM ALWAYS open to offers on the car if you have a true buyer...

    And I may be wrong but as I RECALL MULTIPLE HIGH Dollar RECORD new prices have been paid for all kinds of cars at Auctions EVERY Year!!
     
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    Welcome red86dd, I mean Dino&CT. Your car looks great. We just had a show/ drive in Indiana and a local red dd was coming, but he ended up MIA.
    Your car reminded me to call him and see what is up.
     
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    OK, so in due course the Khassoggi ownership suggested in the text will be proven with documentation as I understand it??

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    Incorrect.

    Private brokers and locaters do in fact participate in the auction process. I regularly find cars for the specific purpose of consigning them to auction houses for major auctions, RM, Christies and Bonhams among them.

    Two examples:

    I located the long-lost ex-Frank Sinatra Miura P400S 4407 for Christies Rockerfeller Centre New York auction and they paid me a retainer. The car sold above estimate.

    I located the ex-Ben Heiderich Miura P400SV 5038 for Bonhams Quail Lodge auction and they paid me a retainer. The car sold for a then-high for an SV.

    I am doing the same thing this year for a couple of auction houses.

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    So by your own words here...AUCTIONS have been good to you AND the cars have sold for over their thought value??

    Does not sound like Desperate sellers to me?

    SO which side of the fence are you on with Auctions??
     
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    Correct, until then the text remains as it is till hard evidence is produced.
     
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    I always worry about a car garnering a 'no-sale' and pinning its perceived value at much less than the seller hoped. Whenever Ive consigned a car to auction it was done with the understanding that the seller would have it no other way. Personally they are not my favorite way to find a car a new home and youll find that more blue-chip classics are trading hands privately these days and likely for more than theyd ever bring at auction.

    Anyway its good to see a few Lamborghinis going through. As I said we will be watching to see what happens.

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    We would love to see the aforementioned hard evidence :)

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    This outcome is better than making a "gift" to the new owner at "No Reserve".
     
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    LOL. I agree... Trust me, no Lamborghini for sale at Russo & Steele will have "No Reserve".

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