McLaren Charged by FIA!

thank you, I was typing that as well but wasn't sure the ostrich would understand

 

sorry, wrong, this is not US law ..

 

Sorry, not everyone can afford a Ferrari. I'm a Ferrari fan, but I don't want to see them win every race. In this respect your comments are not directed toward me, but that's still a d.ouche bag thing to say. I also don't know what owning a Ferrari has to do with wanting Ferrari to dominate in Formula 1. You have to shell out $150,000+ to be a REAL fan? Great. You own a 355. Even if I had the money, I wouldn't waste it on a 355.

Edit: Wasn't aware that "d.ouche" is a no-no word on here.

 

I did not know there was a "European" law. And if so they can keep it.

 

Good post. It's intresting to see and analyze - how large number of people are jumping armed with little facts and big assumptions to demand blood and only few people are looking at the facts and keeping their heads cool, probably much more people just don't feel like positing anything on this subject.

Myself - I find it intersting since it somewhat relates my area of work (preventing th company I work for from being a part of mess like this)

 

It has nothing to do with being a Ferrari fan. My comment was directed at that idiot, 355, who questioned whether I owned a Ferrari

 

Sure, I believe that a fireman can afford a Ferrari...

Claiming to own one on an anonymous chat room is a lot different from having one in the garage, Mr. civil servant.

 

What ?? Where did you read that you are guilty until proven innocent ? The law , at least in France is : Presume Innocent .

I agree that in pratique it is often not the case ( Speeding tickets and cameras...) but that is the law.

 

Neale knew what Coughlan had yet the whistle was blown by a third party. McL may not have done anything wrong, but it sure looks like a cover up.

Then RD tells us repeatedly how much integrity he has. I wish he had said. We will look into this and the wrongdoers at McL will be punished. He did not say that. What he said was no intellectual property from the documents are in the McL cars. He does not say they didn't use the strategy book to McL's advantage.

What did RD and others at McL know and when did they know it? Seems to be a reasonable question.

I have not yet called for a ban or reduction in points for McL. Unforetuneately, the damage is done. No matter who wins or what happens the season is tainted. This is a terrible thing to happen to F1 and at least two people at McL are to blame. It is a shame.

 

I don’t mean to get involve in this dogfight but when I saw this comment I had to say something. First I know of two firefighters from the boards that own expensive cars one of them a Ferrari 360 that he got after selling his M5 (he is a member here) and the other owns a M5 not exactly cheap cars by any means. Before you make comments like this know what you are talking about. Just because you have money does not mean you can look down at people (hope your not one of those people that only likes the cops or firefighters when someone stole something or your house is on fire)

 

McLaren Statement:

 

that is a pathetic and ignorant thing to say, let's see the proof you own one,

 

well I'm convinced, case closed

 

You beat me to it, John

Since Sen is typin' like such a big boy, in this p*ssing match, I think it's about time he should "man up" himself.

Why don't you "flesh out" your profile Sen?

Nearly 900 posts and you are still in hiding?

Moderators don't usually allow such lengthy participation or high post count, without a profile.

 

You are a big bag of laughs. Yes Im a firefighter (fireman for the kids and uneducated adults) and I ride the big red trucks while at work and while at home a ride my little red prancing 355B. Does that bother you? Oh and guess what? I can afford to subscribe to this forum even on my wage. If you are ever up in Toronto sonny, drop by my hall and I will even take you for a ride, maybe even to a real fire with real smoke unlike the stuff your blowing.
PS read your profile and read mine and then tell me who is trying to be "anonymous"

 

Looks like the FIA is thinking about 'spicing' this championship, and that 'McLaren-gate' story is too good an opportunity for Mosley to miss!!

Instead of having Hamilton romping away to his first championship, why not give him and his team a handicap to even the score and give a chance for Kimi to catch up.

Am I being too cynical here?

 

Second of all, the burden of proof lies not with McLaren proving they didn't do anything. It lies with the authorities and with the FIA to prove that McLaren DID do something. You are familiar with concepts like the presumption of innocence and the burden of proof, are you not? This fact is lost on a lot of people here who seem to see conspiracies in Ron Dennis' morning bowel movements. Baseless accusations, ridiculous leaps of logic, and personal animosity are not sufficient evidence of any improprieties on McLaren's part. It is moronic to lay out a baseless accusation against someone and then demand that the responsibility is on them to prove you wrong, the legal system does not work that way.[/QUOTE]


See again you are wrong because you assume that US law presides all over the world. If this had happened in the USA then we wouldnt get any results for at least a year maybe 3. How did Ross Perott put it in the 90s....Our country has a real problem when whe have a 300,000,000 population and 70% of the worlds lawyers.

 

Not necessarily. The US is developed more than most, if not all, countries. No need to have lawyers in a village in Africa, Middle East, South America, or Asia because there's really no use. Welcome to the home of capitalism--the United States. It's just part of business. Get used to it.

 

now YOUR behaving silly, the US wasn't even thought of when Europe had laws for many hundreds of years.

Just because the US has a pre-determined set of rules for the rich to evade justice doesn't mean that Europe has regressed in their laws, they've gone thru every ism there is and their laws have evolved to meet them, US law is an ass a lot of the time , otherwise how come there are so many "deals" done and criminals walk ??

More of the world finishing at the Pacific/Atlantic ocean theory from the great unwashed

 

Hey! Don’t knock attorneys too bad!!! It only 95% of them making the rest look bad!!!!

 

HOORAY 355 !
I used to drive my Porshe 911 to work as an Aircraft mechanic when even the President of the company drove a normal sedan. Had a 308 in the garage.
I worked my behind off to afford them, bought them depreciated, and sold them years later for pretty much what they cost .
Others dont like or believe it ? Tough ****.

 

Just dont dis my country

 

Sorry you misunderstood me. I'm just speaking about the sportsmanship aspect of the decision. If the points remain the same and McL wins then it's an empty win and they will lose all respect from any credible respectful source. People will still side with Ferrari because they were cheated on. Ferrari may have lost the title on paper but they still retain their respect an honor. Now if Ferrari wins, then it's an even greater win because they not only beat a team fairly but they beat a team that was cheating against them. Ferrari gains that much more honor and respect and McL loses even more. This is just my opinion...not saying it's gospel, just what I think. Not really sure how that sounds like NASCAR people, but whatever.

 

I agree. In the meantime.....Stepney say that there are more people invloved.

More Formula One personalities could be dragged into the so-called spy saga.

According to comments made by sacked Ferrari engineer Nigel Stepney's Italian lawyer on Friday, the espionage scandal which has also involved McLaren and Honda is deeper even than its meticulous coverage by the media.

Police searches took place at Ferrari's Maranello headquarters on Friday, the Roman newspaper La Repubblica reported.

"Mr Stepney protests his innocence," Stepney's lawyer Sonia Bartolini is quoted as saying by La Gazzetta dello Sport.

"He is sure that the truth will come out and that other people will come under the eye of the examinations," she added.


Italian prosecutors are expected to complete the investigation of the white powder - thought to be detergent - that was allegedly poured into Ferrari fuel tanks by Stepney prior to this year's Monaco Grand Prix, by the beginning of next month.

But La Gazzetta claims that the entire saga could be set to continue until 2008, as the thorough criminal investigation drags on.

Source GMM
CAPSIS International

 

You know nothing about his background and yet, you jump straight to the conclusion, that he can not afford to own a Ferrari simply because he is a firefighter? His chosen profession is a honorable one, and what do you do for a living?