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360Stradale 6-speed manual conversion

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  1. Tobias

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    Amazing! Keep us updated.
     
  2. 134282

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    I am dying, Trev - DYING! - to know the serial number of your car. :)

    Great project, your car looks awesome. Congratulations.
     
  3. 360trev

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    Crazy Performance Hike -

    Breath in, ok, deep breath...

    I hope your sitting comfortably because today I took the plunge and purchased the conversion kit which will ultimately upgrade my engine specification by a whopping 180bhp over a standard 360CS. My power output will be a staggering 600BHP and more importantly have a tree pulling (420 ft.pounds) 570Nm of torque. Lots of pictures coming soon of all the parts!

    We are taking about essentially a 50% power hike over a 360. At full boost I am aiming to be able to keep pace with an Enzo @ full chat.

    Just for fun here's the examples of power/weight of my car compared to an Enzo... I sure hope these race engineers are doing their sum's right on my chassis strengthening and uprating. Thankfully the power upgrade kit is a proven Koenig conversion - and the Germans built that so I am expecting great things. :)

    My car--
    Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 600
    Weight without Driver (KG) : 1250
    Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 487.71
    0 - 60 (Secs) : 3.27
    0 - 100 (Secs) : 6.51
    60 - 100 (Secs) : 3.24
    Quarter Mile (Secs) : 11.27
    Terminal Speed (MPH) : 131.53
    Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 11.17
    Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 133.01

    Enzo--
    Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 650
    Weight without Driver (KG) : 1366
    Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 483.48
    0 - 60 (Secs) : 3.28
    0 - 100 (Secs) : 6.35
    60 - 100 (Secs) : 3.08
    Quarter Mile (Secs) : 11.23
    Terminal Speed (MPH) : 133.45
    Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 11.13
    Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 134.94
     
  4. 360trev

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    ... and those figures are being highly conservative with the weight loss programme. This car should be an animal one completed!
     
  5. istanl

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    :eek: I hope your traction control is working properly!

    Great car, you don't think it'll be a bit of a handful with all that power?
     
  6. porsche racer

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    Trev, are you gonna stay with the rims?
     
  7. 360trev

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    Arthur,
    The trafficstar alloys are definately a requirement because I am going to have to fit substantially wider rubber to have any chance of getting all the power to the tarmac, even with TC! I also happen to like them a lot too which helps :) I will be putting quite epic power and torque down through the rear wheels which are 12" wide (some 2 inches wider than stock CS items). They will be handling 50% more power than a CS ever did in its original spec so probably 345's or above .

    Many things are being uprated not least of which the clutch, the suspension (with seperate reservoirs), the chassis will be torsionally stiffened and braced. The engine has to come out and blue printed forged lightweight Mahle pistons will be fitted, etc. etc.. Probably going to fit the GT-C rear wing for track use (removable for road).

    Its now becoming quite a serious project and not just the power will be done, everything will be working as one so that the car will not be dominated by just straight line acceleration. Weight loss will be done with an eye to the perfect weight distribution by corner weighting the car and doing things properly.

    Basically I have got a race team who do the Challenge and GT-C racing series assisting in the development so yes I think the power will be useable!
     
  8. porsche racer

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    Great project, Trev
    I know your rims are 20"s. If you going to track the car (I hope you do), There is a guy in Miami that makes custom rims 18x12 or 18x13 which is more suitable for track use (light and inexpensive $3k). I bought four sets from him for my race cars. I have 345 on them.
    My 360 is rosso scuderia and I love the color, so great choice.
    Can't wait to see the finish project.
    Good luck
    Art
     
  9. 360trev

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    You bet I'll be tracking the car!!!

    Thanks for the offer Art on the wheels, I'll keep it in mind. Yes Scuderia is a GREAT colour.
     
  10. jra85

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    The car's looking great, can't wait to see some new numbers after the engine upgrade! In my opinion, the 20" wheels do look a little bit overkill on the car though. The rears are alright, but the fronts just bring the car too high off the ground. Are you considering going down to 19"s, at least in the front?
     
  11. notoboy

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    I have been reading this thread with anticipation, so please keep the info and pictures coming ;)
     
  12. Hazy

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    nice work mate, the car looks simply epic. Only downside will be the time off the road to do all the mods including interior.....whats your timescale for the completed car?? I'm guessin' first quarter of 2008? :)
     
  13. x8664amd6

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    You need to put on the Ceramic Brakes. Otherwise, people who know Stradale can tell your can is a poser.
     
  14. Private_Joker

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    Third post I've read from you, third negative, insulting post. Request for a ban, any moderators out there? :)
     
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  15. the_jay

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    Wow, beautiful car!

    I agree the car needs CCB! I wish they made wider CS wheels, but your car looks great!
     
  16. Hud

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    Trev, truly mad, great work - keep at it :) you not plumping for the strad exhaust?
     
  17. 360trev

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    #67 360trev, Jul 17, 2007
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    The engine conversion boasts a full system including optimized headers for 600hp.
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  18. 360trev

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    If you re-read the thread I've already explained what I have planned for the brakes. Initially I'll transplant the CCM, followed by Brake By Wire using Siemans electronic wedge brake technology. This is the ultimate next generation of braking and is substantially lighter as it contains no hydralics at all, no brake fluid, no master cylinder, etc.

    Also looking into use of Delphi’s MagneRide electromagnetic damper technology for the perfect balance of road and track characteristics (the same system used in the Ferrari 599 and optional on the new Audi TT - and quite possibly the new 430 Scuderia/LP). MagneRide dampers contain oil and magnetisable particles. These particles cling together in strings if a magnetic field is applied around the damper case. The field can be altered in strength to adjust the damping force in just 100 nanoseconds, not milliseconds Nanoseconds! The magnetised fluid is not (technically) more viscous, its just more resistant to passage through the restrictions in the damper. This is because the concentration of magnetised fluid forms a sort of deformable plug. Delphi believe their MagneRide changes the whole notion of a ride/handling compromise.

    Other technical highlights of the project include active aerofoil aerodynamics. Already I have personally written and designed prototype software to provide 'air brake' style stopping which will use electronic actuators to adjust the angle of the stopper (same basic approach as used on the Mc'Claren F1). I've used VxWorks on a PowerPC embedded system board which will take the input signals from a pair of accelerometers and the braking system to improve stopping distance through use of a 'wind brake'. I can do this part myself as much earlier in my career I used to be an embedded systems s/w engineer :)

    The time is not right yet to go into all the nitty gritty but this will car will deploy some of the most advanced cutting edge technology. I wouldnt be surprised if Ferrari also do some of these things on the new 430 Scuderia/430LP.
     
  19. 360trev

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    It sure is taking its time but I'm not worried, I havent set an 'end date' so much but right now things are progressing pretty quickly. Interior and RHD conversion ironically wont take longer than a week! Thats the easy bit, just removing/refitting. Its the development work thats the most time consuming...

    T
     
  20. cig1

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    So ... with the different brakes, different engine setup, different wheel/tire setup, different exhaust, different clutch, different suspension, Modena VIN, a standard 6-speed and some of the most advanced cutting edge technology... are you sure you want to put the Challenge Stradale emblem on the rear?

    Not hating ... the car should be a nice piece to own .... but, Stradale ?

    G
     
  21. 360trev

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    The badge is there for now but I've discussed this very thing on other forums, I need to leave 'something' there for now because I fitted the lightweight aluminum cs challenge grill (which is a weight saving over the stock modena grille and has larger holes in it) - trouble was it came with the holes pre-drilled for the 'Challenge Stradale' Badge. I'll get 'Something' Badge made up in the same font or something at the later stage.

    I'm leaving the body styling exactly CS though (excluding wheels) because i like the styling. Underneath, well thats entirely something different and more radical...
     
  22. gothspeed

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    Awesome thread and pics!!! That is the best CS I have yet seen :D!! The CS w/manual 6-speed is absolutely the best combo IMO !!!
     
  23. cig1

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    Trev,

    Thanks for not flaming me .. I was hesitant to post my feelings, but I'm glad you didn't take it the wrong way.

    Cheers to your project

    G
     
  24. Dohhunter

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    Intended only as constructive criticism, I think that 1" smaller front rims would compliment the car a lot more.

    What a great job! the toughest part I'm sure is nailing down all the little nitty gritty parts that help make a car such as the stradale special.

    I most DEFINITELY look forward to a dyno!
     
  25. gothspeed

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    +1

    19" fronts and 20" rears are the ticket for the 360 body style IMO :D!!!
     

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