Alonso implies that Massa hit him on purpose which i doubt and by the video it looks he just temp lost control of the car.. Alonso should know better that it can happen when you hve 800 hp on a wet track ..
What a tool! Since when do YOU of all people frown upon auto accidents? Funny though how it was Alonso apologizing with his hat off and hands together on international TV, isn't it? Don't you have some soap to sell for your wife or something?
Based on the tape, Alonso SEEMS to start it by accusing Massa of doing it on purpose.....if Alonso had said nothing the weighing room fireworks would have never happened....Alonso's a top driver but really has ZERO class....
If he thought Massa did it on purpose, then he has a right to bring it up. Funny how Massa blew up like that as soon as he was asked why he did it. His reaction suggests to me that he did do it on purpose. If he didn't, then why didn't he just say "I dunno what you're talking about, it was a racing incident". You ever notice that whenever you call someone out for doing something they know they shouldn't have, they immediately get pissed off and try to reverse it on you? Then it turns out they did do it? I think this is the case.
We aren't in FM's mind as to whether it was on purpose or not, but FA pointing out the damage on his sidepod after getting out of his car and waving his finger, pointing at FM/Ferrari was really a ***** move in my book; and don't forget in Spain FA said FM did it on purpose there also; FA's starting to remind me of Captain Queeg from "The Caine Mutiny".....
OK that reference is just a little too obscure for me lol. Anyways, he isn't as big a whiner as "Nige" was, was he? Hey, being a "whiner" just means that he's passionate about his racing, unlike Ralf Schumacher for instance.
In a nutshell The Caine Mutiny was a book/movie in which the Captain thinks everyone is out to get him. Whether it is FM allegedly trying to take him out, the McLaren crew favoring LH, light fixtures falling on his car and not being properly repaired, etc., FA sees a plot against him...don't forget last year he accused FIA of manipulating the championship in favor of Ferrari....nothing wrong with passion but please stop the whining already..... FA would be crying like a b!atch if he ever went wheel to wheel with GV....
Perhaps Massa (like others) is simply sick of Alonso's whining and so he called im a sh*t (which is what he said). So we should call him "Old Yellowstain" from here on out!
Yes but you have to admit that the penalty that was thrown at him for "blocking" Massa was complete BS! I don't care how big a Ferrari fan you are, anyone can see that was bogus. I can see where he's coming from with that one, but perhaps he's just too vocal for some.
Man how many times did you have to watch that to get all of this!? I'm impressed---i speak pretty decent Italian myself and was struggling to figure out what was said at the very beginning. The most obvious thing to me was the whole "vinci e dici ancora cosi?!" repeated 3 times. (you win and you still say this). I was really impressed with how well Alonso speaks Italian----i wonder how/why he learned it?
Don't know why they spoke in italian as for Massa spanish is his second language. Anyway they can understand each other speaking their natural languages.
I think you have me mixed up with somebody else, I was the one saying that I thought FM had every right to start calling him what he did, it showed passion on Massa's part.
Yeah, cool. Maybe he should bring that passion to the track and not let McLaren's cars pass as if he had a blue flag stapled to his forehead. Ohh! My head is hot! Let me toss out cuss words! Fear my passion in a press conference but not on a race track! Fight on the track, Massa. Learn that.
agreed on both counts. Massa was at fault for his bad language, but i meant, Fred overreacted by accusing Massa of something he didn't do. this is racing!
Italian and Spanish are very close and its not very hard for a Spaniard to learn Italian. An Italian friend of mine married a cuban lady and in 1 year she could speak perfect Italian. Alonsos' Italian is not that great. The other thing I wanted to mention is this. For one who understands either of those languages you would know that what was exchanged between these two drivers was not that bad.
He can react however he wants. If he thought Massa had done it on purpose he should ask him about it. How he reacted to everything else is his way of reacting to a hard fought victory. I doubt he cares if it upsets anybody, I and frankly I wouldn't either. All you Alonso haters are just upset that he basically just shoved one up Massa's and Ferrari's collective bums, with thier 7 time champ handing out the trophy to boot. If the situation had been reversed and Massa had won in the same way, none of you would have said Massa did anything wrong and Alonso is such a cry baby.
So if you had just won in the same fashion you wouldn't react the same way. If you thought someone might have hit you on purpose you wouldn't bring it up? So if it wasn't any where close to "you didn't have to hit me", then what did he say? It's easy to say he person that won has no class and is tauting you when you got your ass handed to you.
sure FA bullied FM and he won the race. there's no arguing that, but you seriously saying that wasn't taunting? at the very least it was not very 'sportmanlike' ...he sure was rubbing it in post race. this whole subject is comical actually. i was laughing during the post race weigh-in fiasco...good stuff. if this were, say, the NBA, or NFL, there would've been some shovin' and perhaps a couple of faux punches (slaps)... anyhow, good stuff...
Again, there is celebrating after a win and then there is taunting after a win. If you can't tell the differences between the two, then there is really no point of continuing with this discussion as our opinion differs too much. FA's "celebration" is well know to be a little over the top, it often borderlines taunting. That's just FA being FA, and is still allowed by FIA at least this time. For the years that I have been following F1, I can honestly say that I can not recall seeing another driver doing the same thing as FA does/did. As for if it is classless (You said it, I didn't), that's for FIA and the people to decide. As for what FA said, there has been more than one version of what was said posted on the internet from varies sites, and so far, I have not seen anything remotely close to a gentle or even jokingly "You didn't have to hit me" in the format which you are suggesting. I would say that most of the members and the media agrees with me on this. Yes, FM could have just walked away but he chose not too. Not saying what FM did was right, just saying that it is understandable under that situation. I don't know about you, but I am not too crazy about being accused of something that is untrue. Did FM run into FA on purpose? maybe yes and maybe no, unless you or I are FM, neither one of us knows for sure.
The point is that it is good stuff and makes compelling TV. Anyone here that says they wouldn't have done the exact same thing is full of baloney. It was a hell of a win and they had the right to celebrate. There wouldn't be a thread called Massa the pathetic if he had won the same way. Anything Alonso does is wrong around here.
I disagree. Please do not lump everyone into one catagory all together, IMO, that is very disrespectful. There are indeed some members here that thinks Ferrari can do no wrong, which is understandable considering this place is call FerrariChat not just a regular Formula One chat site. At the same time, there are also those here that thinks Ferrari is the root of all evil and puts them and their fans down at every chance they get. There is little doubt, and IMO, that FA is the best driver out there on the grid right now, the most mature and complete package, but IMO, unfortunately, he does not show the same maturity off the track. If LH continues to progress at the rate he is at this time, LH will easily be the new poster boy of F1 by the end of the season.
I did see a translation that quoted FA as saying you didn't have to hit me. I'm looking the link, it's in this forum somwhere. You can even tell whatever it was that FA said to him wasn't anything too harsh, he said it while they were congratulating each other after the race. It's then that Massa flipped out. Massa has even said that FA said FM did it on purpose, again Massa didn't say Alonso cursed at me or said something harsh or whatever like you are suggesting. Massa said the accusation caught him by surprise which is what upset him. Alonso apologised for it at the interview. Nothing wrong with that just a misunderstaning by fellow competitors. Celebrating or taunting is part of any sport. it's vital to get inside your opponent's head. Alonso has clearly done just that. Again, nothing wrong with it, just part of the game. If anyone doesn't like it, good. Maybe it will motivate the team to do better next race so it can be thier turn. That's just how it is.
of course its easy to say alonso has no class but thats only cause its true and ill prove it - a classy driver would have thought first before he started pointing fingers at competitors in front of millions -a classy driver would have looked at the instant replay (and more than once)first before putting his team and sponsors in a compromising position - a classy driver would have spoken to his team and maybe even fia first before insulting and royalling pissing off a guy he has to race wheel to wheel with at 200mph for the next few years and finally a classy driver would have spoken to the competitor involved first before making such a severe accusation and then apologising 2 minutes later
