Well, to be honest, you haven't proven anything. What is your opinion, then, of a driver who intentionally forces his competitors off the road to keep them from overtaking him, as Schumacher did on many, many occasions including against his own brother? I saw the race and I saw the move Massa put on Alonso. It looked to me like he did turn in on Alonso when Alonso gained position on him. I do not find fault with Alonso in this instance.
All because you say so. I'm still waiting for proof. The only proof of class I need was Alonso apologising to Massa for all the world to hear. He apologised when he didn't even have to. That's class.
Luis, if you will, try to see this whole incident as a whole, from the moment FA parked his McLaren and got out of the car, and not just what happened inside the building. IMO, there is no doubt that FA was doing more taunting than celebrating and no, I do not agree that taunting is or should be part of any sports or any type of competition and I have confidence that I am not the only one here that feels this way about taunting one's opponents.
You make a good point Anthony. I don't remember Alonso screaming that much on the podium since he won his first WC with Reanult. Maybe it was a bit OTT on purpose.
Don't take this like you would here in the States, they come from a latin culture and the hot blood in us in evident everywhere, they forgot about this thing already.
There would have been no incident had first Alonso not chosen that moment to say anything about the move, two had Massa not had reacted the way he did. The fault lies with both of them. Alonso apologised to Felipe, but Felipe didn't seem to accept it. At least not during the interview. Call it hot blooded latiness or whatever you want to call it but it is what it is and part of the game. Should he be subdued because his opponent is upset? Any racing driver and thier team would have been highly pumped up to win in the way Alonso did on that day. Could cooler heads have preveiled? Certainly but Felipe is just as guilty as Fernando.
FA was clearly faster. In a seperate thread; as mentioned by FIA rules it is FMs job to get out of the way. In the real world this is not going to happen. FM was making the car wide. Its FA job to pass. He did it. To me as unbiased as I can be FM is the whiney one here.
It is obivious that you and I have different opinions on what is a celebration and what is taunting, so let's just end this discussion as this is becoming a real waste of time and bandwidth for both of us. Have a good day, Luis.
If Massa won and acted the way FA did I'd be pissed at Massa-win with dignity and be humble, especially since FA lucked out that it rained.
Maybe he lucked out that it rained, but the win was far from lucky. He still drove like a true champion and made the pass on a slick track. Luck had nothing to do with that.
micheal was no angel thats forsure...but he grew up racing when the most popular,respected driver punched another driver in the face for unlapping himself ,when the top driver crashed into his chief competitor to win the championship uncontested! thing about micheal he never whined,he took his punishments.always tried to smile , rarely badmouthed and never ever ever badmouthed his team now that is class both alonso and massa drove correctly ..no one worth listening to is saying alonso did anything wrong
Was it class when he ran Damon Hill off the road? Or JV? Was it class when he parked his car in Monaco to bring qualifying to a halt? All I recall from those actions was his refusal to acknowledge he did anything wrong and his arrogance being heavily criticized. He took his punishment because he had no choice but he didn't learn much from it, it appears. Schumacher was a great driver and one of the best of all time but let's not get all revisionist all of a sudden.
Maybe? No, definitely...FA was powerless to do anything against FM, and no doubt in my mind if KR didn't break it would have been a Ferrari 1-2-but that's racing....
funny you should bring that up. DID he run damon off the road? I recently saw the vid again...looks like he took the normal racing line to me. it was a bit silly and premature of Damon to try and take him on the inside. He only had to wait! have another look and see what you think.
Agree? You are talking Monza 2006 and I thought it was a bogus penalty then, just as I thought it was ridiculous for LH to be given a blue flag when Massa was 1/2 a mile behind him.
I saw a vid several times too, it looks like he's looking to see where Damon was so he'd be right in his way. Damon would have had to pretty much stop to avoid hitting him.
If Kimi hadn't broken he might have been able to keep FA behind. It still wouldn't be a 1-2. More like a 1-3 if anything.
+1 Paul correct. I think this was payback for that crap at Monza in 2006 from Massa. By the way, I don't agree with Alonso for giving Massa crap for defending his lead. But Massa is a complaining little **** as well, Monza 06 was a perfect example. I would give anything for Kimi too have been in Massa's position at the last race, as he would have won with no issues.
The guy was a tremendous talent, but he had his flaws like no other world champion before, save me the dialogue about Senna taking out Prost in 90, that was payback for 89. Schumacher had so much talent it was not even funny, the only chink in his armor was that at the exact moment when he felt he could lose it, he pulled off some incredibly stupid stunts. He got away with 94 (I am glad he did as he was penalised way too much to make the championship exciting) and fortunately he didn't get away with it in 97. Regardless one of the greatest if not the greatest talent to sit in an F1 Car in history.
+1 And he was a team player. Turned SF around. Hell they coulddn't even change tires in a pit stop right before he got there.
