FIA Investigation Results

Any word if Ferrari is "satified " or will they or can they protest. They may be a lot better off by not doing anything and having the FIA owe them a big one in the future.

 

Where have you been for the last decade? Bernie is a big Ferrari fan and if he had anything to do with the FIA decision,which he didn't, he would have taken points away from McLaren.

 

Is it safe to say NOW that if McLIARS…..I mean McLaren wins this year it was because they cheated and got away with it? What if Hamilton wins this year would it be considered a farce? I’m so curious to hear what Bob Varsha, David Hobbs and Steve Matchett are going to say about this and what there views on this outcome is going to be.

 

i' ll tell you Bull **** thats what there gonna say

 

Bernie is a great dollar fan...

Don´t worry about this, next week there is another race and as General McArthur would say: we´ll be back.

 

How did McLaren know that Ferrari was using an illegal floor AND the only way a team can mount a protest over another team is through the team boss (RON DENNIS). Ron Dennis i think is too smart a man to mount a protest over another team without evidence. Coughlan had the evidence (Ferrari Documents) to show Dennis. He mounted the protest and ferrari was forced to redesign their floor. very simple.

WHY COULDN'T THE FIA SEE THAT

 

That is very true...they could admit that Ferrari set the whole thing up to cover up how they stole McLaren secrets which helped them at Silverstone and France...if you want to talk conspiracy theories, don't hold back...LoL

 

The dispute is over whether the Ferrari papers influenced the McLaren car and this has nothing to do with that.

When this whole story broke we discussed the technical possibilities of such an influence and it is vague at best: The McLaren has a different wheel base, a different engine and different aeros (just look at the cars from the outside). So if there was any influence, it would be subtle and therefore hard to proove anyhow.

 

I'm a bit confused over the floor thing. McL filed the protest based on stolen data, but I guess the FIA feels ferrari, while not in violation of the letter of the rule should have know better to begin with and is calling it a wash???

 

No the 5.5M Euro is the ammount Ferrari was asking for. Not directly, but by claiming that value of winning the title is 5.5M Euro

 

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Jesus H. Christ, judging from the response on these boards, there is nothing the FIA could have said that would appease anyone.

They determined that there is no evidence of McLaren using any Ferrari information...NO EVIDENCE. That is what I, and others, on this board have been saying for weeks and for which we have been berated. We have been proven correct by these findings. Coughland and Stepney are rogue employees who were acting in their own interests and will now face the repurcussions. McLaren has done nothing wrong.

Move on! McLaren is not using an unfair advantage. Let's get back to RACING and stop the incessant whining.

 

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To those feel an injustice has been done it isnt dead and buried...yet
let the drivers do the talking on the track for now.... .

 

Not quite true either: They should have come out into the open at the first moment they had knowledge of these documents. They didn't do that.

 

Ferrari has no choice but to leave F1 Racing, whilst there is some honor left for them!

They have no other choice.

I'm done with F1.

Ciao Really...Paolo

 

"However, there is insufficient evidence that this information was used in such a way as to interfere improperly with the FIA Formula One World Championship."

insufficient evidence to interfer improperly with the championship is a very different statement then if they had actually said there is no evidence, which they didn't.........

 

I don't disagree about the evidence. I agree that it would also be difficult, if not impossible to prove they benefited from the documents. All that aside - they were found guilty of breaking 151c... That and the lack of punishment of any kind is what I have a problem with. Guilty as charged, no penalty of any kind - have a nice day.

 

we should call for some chatters on the hungarian side of the world to make this on big white sheets for the next race...
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I'm going there, but I don't feel that strongly about the FIA right now. I was a LOT more upset about them after the USGP 05.

 

Why is everyone saying Ferrari needs to jump ship on F1? I know things seem like hell right now, but I'm convinced it's just a phase and hopefully it gets returned to its glory soon.

 

Here is a comment from one of the FIA Council members:

“There was no proof that the McLaren in any way were advantaged”. It is the comment of Luigi Macaluso, the new president of the Csai, exiting the world-wide Council of the Fia, in which he participated as a voting member.

The way I see it, we are all on the outside looking in. The FIA is not. A 25 member council heard evidence from both sides, including Ferrari. Based on what they were presented, they concluded that McLaren had not benefited from any Ferrari information. I don't know what happened during the discussions, neither do you, and neither do any of us. But the FIA Council certainly knows more than anyone here.

However, it appears that many people are so set in their minds that there is no conclusion the FIA could have drawn that would satisfy them. Ferrari made their case and the FIA deemed it insufficient. It is evident (or ought to be) that whatever hapened, McLaren did not use that information, as they have been stating all along.

We don't know, and will likely never know, all that happened during this affair. What we do know is that all the available evidence was presented to the FIA and they drew their conclusions. That's it and that ought to be the end of it.

You can piss and moan all you want but it appears that many here had their minds made up long before this hearing and that there is nothing that will change that. This is a pity as I would like to think of folks here as being open-minded and willing to listen to reason, many here are but some here, sadly, are not.

I, for one, am happy to return to racing and I am also extremely happy, to paraphrase Andreas, that the title will be decided on the track and not in a courtroom.

 

They cut the baby in half. Found McL guilty but insufficient evidence for any punishment.

I am glad they did not take away McL points. Thought they would have at least made McL reimburse FIA for their costs in this matter. I was hopeful that they would have to reimburse SF for their costs too.

So the message is an employee can have illegal documents from another team with no penalty or cost to the team. This could open Pandora's box for even more spying in the future.

SF will pursue the criminal investigation. They may come up with proof in the next two years and the FIA may have to act.

And/or SF may opt out of F1 altogether in which case I will not bother to watch it. this would be a real last resort for SF. I doubt that they will do that.

Now that McL has been found guilty, Alonso has enough to break his contract with McL and drive for any other team. Reports he is very unhappy at McL. Losing the 2xWDC would be a pretty good penalty. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of guys.

CONCLUSION: This is a long long way from over.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

 

I suspect that they were found guilty of not policing Mike Coughlan. As we discussed before, there is a question of what is reasonable accountability for the actions of one's employees. Since Coughlan certainly possessed the documents, then McLaren is technically guilty for being responsible for ensuring all its employees comply with the regulations. However my guess is that the panel decided that, while Coughlan was a McLaren emloyee when he gained possession of the documents, McLaren itself was not complicit in their procurement and therefore should not be punished for events outside it's reasonable control?

My feeling is that this is a similar situation with Ferrari not controlling Stepney. Technically that would theoretically fall under the same rule but no one can reasonably expect Ferrari to be repsonsible if an employee turns rogue. McLaren apparently was similarly not found deserving of punishment simply because an employee turns rogue, either.

Hopefully we get further clarification on this ruling from the FIA.

 

That is ludicrous.

To the contrary, his most recent interviews he has been nothing but effusive in his praise for the team. What reports are you referring to, Alonso himself says he is very happy with the team.

Does that mean you guys are going to conitnue pissing and moaning long after the rest of us have returned to discussing racing?!?

It is over for everyone but Coughlan and Stepney...and a few random folks here...

 

...this is ridiculous...

not even a FINE!

 

He might end up back at Renault for 08. That would make for a nice 08 title battle between the top three drivers in the three top teams and cars.