Poll: Was FIA right in not punishing McLaren?

Although there was no irrefutable evidence presented, in the surprisingly brief WMSC proceedings, that they had made use of the information, the FIA did find Vodafone McLaren Mercedes to be in breach of the International Sporting Code, article 151c, for possession of confidential Ferrari information.

This GUILTY finding is, in my estimations, more than enough reason, to hand down a significant penalty, NOW !

 

"The WMSC is satisfied that Vodafone McLaren Mercedes was in possession of confidential Ferrari information and is therefore in breach of article 151c of the International Sporting Code."

The only reason McLaren Have not been kicked out or had there points removed is because Ferrari would have no Competition, The FIA want racing even if they change there own rules.
But Note the only reason Mclaren have become competition is with Ferrari technical information.
Its only a matter of time before some fan draws blood on Mclaren for what they have done & the FIA will be in the firing line for letting it happen. But of cause the FIA will be OH no how did this happen
As the FIA have not up held the rules Ferrari F1 contract becomes void.
Ferrari now should leave F1. F1 is dead without them & the FIA knows it. Then we can watch what the FIA do

F1 has become in the last few years a joke. turning the Cutting edge sport into a low Buget freak show any drop kick with a few million can join

 

Can't prove they used it, then they're free to walk imo. Once anything comes up showing they used info, take away their points.

 

Will Ferrari sue anyway?

 

Oh come on man you are crazy ... "draw blood".

So we are going to sacrifice a McLaren supporter now are we, yeah lets go and grab some poor innocent kid and execute him over "the fact that a disgruntled Ferrari employee decided to give information away"

You guys need to get some real life perspective. F1 is NOT that important and fans like you will do more harm to the image of F1 than anything stupid the FIA does, heck even senial old Bernie.
Pete

 

They will sue Stepney, rightfully.

Pete

 

Really? Are you sure? Do you work for McLaren? No, you don't. So don't go spouting off crap you don't know.

And this line shows why I think you're an idiot.

 

There seem to be alot of stupid comments coming out of people lately.

While I think McLaren should have been given at least a slap on the hand/fined I'm glad they didn't take points away without hard evidence.

 

The decision is horrible and it's not because I'm a ferrari fan at all. Come on I mean they found technical data at the designer's home which was stolen from ferrari. This is simply a case of the championship being too good this year so they don't want anything to affect how people will view this season because after it concludes this will definitely go down as one of the best seasons ever.

 

I'm glad the drivers were not penalized, but I think that constructors points are fair game. That would have been even more severe for RD.

Kind of surprising, actually. Precident has been set that any team in the future may possess illegal info and not face retribution.

 

By your reasoning, if someone in your family, say your wife or over eighteen child is found in possession of stolen property, YOU should be punished? No flame intended, just trying to figure out your logic in getting from point A to point B.

 

McLaren it self will be attacked by a Ferrari support in some way. Never said anything about fan on fan DON'T put words in to my mouth that I have not said. Maybe you are look at soccer fans beating & killing each other over just a team beating a team on a day & nothing more. You need to open your eyes & see the big picture Draw Blood is nothing more than a term.

 

You Know know **** about be. or who & what I know.
& your life shows why people deside not to have kids.
Think before you open your mouth if you dont understand ask.
In all sports when somthing like this happens there are people out there that will take the law into there own hands i.e. soccer fan fight because there team was beat by a better team on the day.
F1 has had fans & people in the business do all types of attacks on F1 & F1 teams. If you were a real fan you would have seen this over the years Draw Blood is nothing more than an extreme team to show how bad it will it in my Opinion. In future ask when you dont understand.....

 

Okay maybe I am not familiar with that term, but just calm down and remember it's only a sport (soccer fans could benefit from a more mature attitude too).

This is what I was alluding too from the begining, ie: Whatever happens will be to suit Bernie and the marketing of F1 as a sport, not whether it is 100% right or not. Currently we have an interesting season from a racing perspective ... they were never going to stuff with that!

Relax man .
Pete

 

People, FIA had no choice but to NOT punish McLaren. Did anyone of you actually think that FIA is going to take two of the four best drivers on the grid today out of contention and just hand Ferrari the 2007 titles? Seriously now, LH is the newest darling of today's F1, and FA is current title holder, they can't possibily just punish the team but not the drivers, it is not as if LH and FA walked across the finish line to earn points and winning races. If penalities was to be handed out, it will be on the whole McLaren team, drivers included. FIA has too much to lose if they did that.

Besides, this is far from over. FIA was smart enough to leave the door open for themself to punish McLaren IF Coughlan and Stepney should roll over in court and state that McLaren/RD had full knowledge of what was going on, or IF there really is a money trail and it does indeed trace back to McLaren. See, All FIA wants to salvage the 2007 season and save Formula One racing and their own faces, that's why the verdict of 1) McLaren is QUILTY but 2) "Nothing" important has been passed on and 3) Now lets all go and get some fish & chips for dinner tonight by the docks. BTW, RD is buying the first round.

 

Hey he may not be that far off. Wait till they race in Italy. They may loose it there and start throwing things at the McCheater cars. But dont worry the BMWs will be safe.

 

Yes if they were they would have to be held accountable for there part & if it really is a case of not knowning then they have to provide information to hold up there story. ThX for ask instead of attacking like some.

Just wanted to add to the record
I am sorry for my attack on another memember not having kids because of someone I have no right to say it as I do not know him just as he has no right to say what he did when he does not know or understand me.

 

ThX someone else that can see the bigger picture.
Nigel S has gone into hiding for fear of his safety
I may not be right thats fine just my opinions.

 

Enzo would have pulled the Ferraris from the remaining races, and laughed as Bernie's ratings tumbled.

If Luca has any balls, that's what he'll order.

 

If that stolen property is found in your house then you may be resposible and if the child is under 18 then you are definitely responsible because they fall under your care and responsibility just as Mclarens employees do for Mclaren.

 

Written by Ferrari Media Thursday, 26 July 2007 Based on today’s decision of the FIA World Council:

• The Vodafone McLaren Mercedes team has been found to be in breach of article 151c of the F1 Sporting Regulations and to have therefore behaved in “a fraudulent manner and therefore in a manner prejudicial to the interests of competition or motor sport in general,”

• The World Council has nevertheless decided that, in the absence of any definite proof that information that is the property of Ferrari has been effectively used on the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes car competing in the current championship, it can impose no sanction without further evidence.

Ferrari notes that Vodafone McLaren Mercedes has been found guilty by the FIA World Council. It therefore finds it incomprehensible that violating the fundamental principle of sporting honesty does not have, as a logical and inevitable consequence, the application of a sanction. Today’s decision legitimises dishonest behaviour in Formula 1 and sets a very serious precedent.

In fact, the decision of the World Council signifies that possession, knowledge at the very highest level and use of highly confidential information acquired in an illicit manner and the acquiring of confidential information over the course of several months, represent violations that do not carry any punishment. The fact that Vodafone McLaren Mercedes was in possession of such information was discovered totally by accident and, but for this, the team would continue to have it. This is all the more serious as it has occurred in a sport like Formula 1 in which small details make all the difference.

Ferrari feels this is highly prejudicial to the credibility of the sport. It will continue with the legal action already under way within the Italian criminal justice system and in the civil court in England.

 

Like a few others here, your inarticulate attempt to "put words in someone else's mouth," is amusing in that you expect the others would accept this as an accurate representation of what I have said or even implied.

In other words NO ! I didn't say anything more than I feel the FIA should have enforced the rules that they have on the books and handed down a penalty. Rules, without consequence for violation, provide no incentive for compliance.

In the real world, of criminal law, you would not be held accountable for an adult or emancipated minor being in possession of stolen property, unless it also happens to be with your knowledge (conspiracy, aiding/abetting), or on your property (possession).

Maybe you have lost track (that's a pun) of what is going on here, this is not a criminal law case (at the moment), this is a clear violation of the rules and regulations agreed to, by all participants in F1, noted by their signing of the contractual agreements required for team entry also designating the FIA as the sole governing/ruling body, granting jurisdiction over F1.

In that, the rules are clearly stated.

It is also abundantly clear that McLaren is/was in violation of the rules, as indicated by the WMSC, in their official findings.

THIS WAS NOT MY OPINION !!!

If you have a problem with that, why don't you go tell the FIA that you feel, McLaren is being maligned by their baseless accusations.

 

Uh huh. And you still sound like an idiot.

"But Note the only reason Mclaren have become competition is with Ferrari technical information."

HAHAHAHAHAH!!! You have yet to back this up. I don't expect you to because you don't know what you're talking about. Take care.

 

Are you sure it was stolen? If I recall correctly, it was given to a McLaren employee by a Ferrari employee. Is that not the case? McLaren didn't break into any Ferrari buildings or equipment to steal property. A McLaren employee was given documents from a person from Ferrari. Prove to me McLaren, or an employee of McLaren, stole the property. And with that property, used the data at all. Anyone? Bueller?