Price of a Daytona engine ???

If you can find an engine, I think about 25K, then will it need rebuilding?, ugly $$$ there, but of course if it isa daytona then it certainly has great value. I think if you post the SN then the history can be traced.

 

Do a search for "cut" Daytona and you'll find lots of information about converted coupes. Also see: http://www.ferraris-online.com/pages/article.php?reqart=SCM_200504_SS

They usually trade for about what a comparable Daytona coupe sells for (which is much less than a factory Daytona spyder).

 

Charles:

I'm guessing if you could find one, that a Daytona engine could run from $60,000 to $100,000 depending on state of the engine. I know from personal experience that a complete rebuild of such an engine easily could cost $25,000. There is an old internet rumor of a Daytona engine for sale some time back in Australia for $70,000.

For information on availability of Daytona engines, I'd contact someone in the know, like Bill Badursky (FCA Tech Dir.), Carobu Engineering in Costa Mesa, CA, or others.

As far as "matching" engine/chassis numbers, they don't match on Daytonas (except for some of the early ones, I believe).

A cut-coupe spyder is usually worth about what the original coupe would be worth. Currently values for coupes are $200.000 to $400,000 depending on condition and, I suppose any special provenance. FML now lists the average asking price as $317,000. Prices seem to be rising. FML only lists 1 below $300,000 for sale.

Depending on who did the cutting, there could have been some additional strengthening of the chassis/body.

Given the history of this car, I would expect it to be somewhat less valuable than a non-modified car of similar condition, even with a Daytona engine installed.

 

Tom, that's not quite true. The very early Daytona's had the chassis number stamped on the engine. At some point, Ferrari stopped doing that and instead stamped something like FERRARI 251. However, all engines have the numero interno stamped on them, which Ferrari can match to the chassis number. In fact, Ferrari wouldn't issue you a Heritage certificate (when they used to offer that) if this number didn't match their records.

The Engine number for Daytonas starts with the letter "B". Here is a picture of mine.

-steve
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Hi Steve,
If that is a recent photo I think you have neglected the 12 month or 120 mile engine out detail. Please try to attend to that immediately.
Hope the 365Gt2+2 is doing well.
Regards,
Terry Phillips

 

Steve:

You are absolutely right, that Ferrari would know the internal numbers. Just didn't want to complicate the issue.

If you asked Ferrari, would they tell you the number if you didn't know it?

Tom

 

Probably not...but an interview with the Chairman of the Classiche department specifically mentioned the Daytona engine block as they are going to reproduce the molds required to make new ones...

I'd order the roof and put it back on at the same time, to fully restore the value to the car in this thread.....

Cut cars are just bad news in most cases, value wise. Recent auctions I've seen them 'stiff' below the cost of a clean un-cut car.......

 

Well, then there's the answer, Charles. You should be able to buy a new block and heads from Ferrari, if not a complete engine.

 

Hey Terry!

Yeah - I am falling behind on the engine out detail servicing. At least she drives very well!

The Queen is doing great! I finally got the starter issues resolved. I will be bringing her to Monterey in a couple of weeks. How's the GTC?

Take care,

-steve

 

The engine manufactured by Ferrari Classiche will have "classiche" imprinted on it.

 

Another option would be to buy a C/4, GT4 2+2 or a 400 and use that motor. You could probably get a 400 for 30K. anyone know if the motor mounts match, and/or if the engine fits?

 

Correct, they did an engine for a 275GTB...it's numbers matching, with the little symbol on it that looks like a Union Bug.....

 

A lot of a C/4 or 400 motor would be similar but there are a lot of differences as well (dry vs wet sump, different heads, carbs for sure). The result would only be a little less of an abortion than it is with the Chevy.

 

Charles: You began this thread by writing: ""2)The Daytona even had the original Ferrari transmission, "" So what kind of rear end does it have? Is the suspension independent or live axle? What shape are the frame rails - oval or square?

 

um. Daytonas do not have separate trannys and rear ends. They have rear transaxles. It could be tricky adapting an american V8 to the torque tube and rear transaxle...

-steve

 

Totally original, he said to you? A "totally original" what, is the question.

"A totally original cut daytona with chevy transplant and unknown drivetrain".

FYI I had a cut Daytona for a while - drove it twice. They are not all well converted, trust me. My advice to you is to seek one which still has it's roof firmly attached.

 

Steve is correct. Daytonas have transaxles, not separate gearboxes and differentials.

$25K for a Daytona engine would be a steal (assuming it has melted or something equally devasting). I think the $60K to $100k figure mentioned would be more accurate, if you could find a real one.

Very early Daytonas did have the chassis number stamped on the block. That practice stopped as soon as Fiat ordered it. By the 127xx VIN it ended. The next group had the Engine Type stamped on the block in its place. The later Daytonas had the Internal Engine Number stamped in its place (the Internal Engine Number was now stamped on the block in two places).

This project seems like a lot of very heavy lifting.

Steve

 

Especially if you are not a bit of an expert on Daytonas

 

Charles: I would first assure you have in fact the foundation of a real Daytona. My rear end question is key - the as built frames would not accomodate a live rear axle (as in US cars of the period) and you could quickly ascertain if you have the real thing or a fake, also Ferrari frames (Enzo did not make them, he bought them) are oval in cross section. Most fakes have traditional box like cross sections. Also there are a lot of pictures in the Daytona Registry site which will help you decide look at the front suspension which in this era Ferrari looks nothing like any of the usual donor cars. In the era of the Miami Vice Daytona fake there was a small industry knocking them out, some were better than others. If yours is a fake and began with a Corvette frame at least will be stiff and handle well, unlike some of the real thing cut coupes.

 

Why are there no pictures or serial numbers of the car in question? We are now on page two of speculating based on a vague description.

Regards,

Art S.

 

Art: Chill a bit, he is new to these shark infested waters! M