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  1. joe sackey

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    #501 joe sackey, Jul 31, 2007
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    OK. Clearly youre not kidding....
    Are you speaking about chassis number 03455? Im referring to the black Ferrari 308 that Mel Spillman had Jim Carpenter rebody and customize as a privateer hot-rod/race car. Yes, I too saw it when Sheehan had it for sale, complete with 328 engine. It looked little like a 288 GTO and in fact the resemblance was only passing. Yes, I too was told that it had $500,000 sunk into it (no pun intended). It sold for $95k after Sheehan had asked $102,500. To you it was "quite the item". To me it was........... well, never mind what I thought, but I wasnt impressed, and I struggled to find any redeeming qualities. And if you wish to know, no, the desire to drive it never manifested itself at any time. It was, is, and will always be a 308, and the only question that begs in my mind is: what'll it cost to restore it back to a sublime 308 (I suppose Im of the school of: "If you want an LM for the track, go out and buy a real LM"). Alas, this 308 or any other Carpenter re-body cannot be mentioned meaningfully in ANY discussion on the original 7 prototype and 272 production 288 GTOs that were built at the factory by Ferrari SpA.

    Now back to your regularlarly scheduled thread on USA F40s :)

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    #504 nthfinity, Jul 31, 2007

    Is it? In context to what else has been discussed today, it is right on topic.
     
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    #505 joe sackey, Jul 31, 2007
    I mean in the context of the thread on USA F40s. But I suppose if you know of some USA F40 replicas and are dying to discuss thats OK....

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    #508 RufMD, Jul 31, 2007

    do you buy everything you find interesting ? I find it ironic that you inject a discussion of 288 GTOs into an F40 thread (one that struggles to stay on topic anyway with the useless cross atlantic babble), yet implore others to stay on topic.
     
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    #509 Chaos, Jul 31, 2007
    well im sure theres also a number of usa cars that now have the euro look.

    that one looks odd tho, the black strip appears bigger than the regular euro one - has it possibly had a whole us nose section put on it ?
     
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    #510 joe sackey, Jul 31, 2007
    You can tell from the small round turnsignal lens that its a Euro front end that now has the USA black trim (less the sidemarker strip).

    Yes youre right, I know of at least one USA car in New Jersey that now looks like a European car as a result of the owner removing all the USA trim.

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    #511 joe sackey, Jul 31, 2007
    Ruf MD,

    No disrespect intended....

    Honestly, yes I do in fact buy what I find interesting, so you can surmise that there are not many cars that I truly find to be of interest. By the way, my comment was simply an honest observation: whilst you extolled the virtues of Jim Carpenter's work, I was noting that your appreciation and interest werent enough for you to buy the car. I take it my observation was correct...

    As far as 288 GTOs are concerned, on a thread about F40s within the Supercar Section, a mention in one or two posts does not stray too far from our central topic considering that the 288 GTO is the direct ancestor of our cars.

    The off-topic problem I had was with the replica, rebody, recreation, reinvention nonsense as injected by carsinxs. Now thats a topic for another site altogether..... but I admit I cannot stop owners of genuine F40s from wasting their time talking about replicas if they so desire (although my imagination is challenged as to why they would want to, but...)

    As far as the "useless cross Atlantic babble" that takes place between Graham & I is concerened, all can say is that 2 F40 owners know how to not take themselves too seriously and are not too uptight to have some harmless fun.... In fact, I daresay some find it entertaining (one poster describing it as "hilarious") and the the F40 topic is never far removed from any post, with lots of received wisdom along the way. Some have tried to stop Graham from his use the expression "Comrade", but freedom of speech rules around here and they have failed. Im glad he has retained his unique posting style, and I feel drawn to respond in like manner whenever I am communicating with him. As they say, "if you dont like it tune out", so all-in-all I think this thread is both fun and informative and if the thread didnt appeal and wasnt useful it would have very few views.

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    #513 RufMD, Jul 31, 2007
    Joe,

    I'm happy for your banter with Graham...truly. One persons hilarious, is another persons tiresome and off topic. Surely if you want to dictate that things stay on topic, you might take that entertainment to the pms. If not, anything goes my friend.

    Maybe this thread is purely enthusiast initiated....maybe not. You're in the business of trading cars Joe. You've disseminated a lot of info that is readily available on the web (as some of the picture watermarks attest to)...that is probably the cut and paste carsinxs is referring to. Trying to establish yourself as some sort of US F40 guru wouldn't hurt your ability to buy and sell these cars would it ?
     
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    #514 joe sackey, Jul 31, 2007
    All true.

    As far as F40s go, Ive always loved them and purchased my first one 10 years ago. My speciality in the trade to date is Lamborghini Miuras and such (See www.joesackey.com and go to Cars Available). No F40s yet but I would not mind at all. As far as a thread that has a commercial slant and discusses the marketplace, lets remember, Im a paid sponsor on F-Chat. An F40 guru, me? Surely your flattery by suggestion is an over-estimation.
    Youre right I have posted a lot of USA F40 material thats out there already (as well as some unique material some of which has never been seen before anywhere), but the point is getting it together and discussing it, just like every other thread on F-Chat.

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    #515 RufMD, Jul 31, 2007

    Glad to know my instincts are not failing me.
     
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    #516 joe sackey, Jul 31, 2007
    Im thrilled we have established that :)

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    #517 Chaos, Jul 31, 2007
    maybe Joe is looking for a business slant at some point in the future, but is that a bad thing ?
    hes numero uno (or thereabouts) in the miura world and very few ppl begrudge him that as its obviously taken a lot of time and hard work and whilst he can make a few $$$ from it, it also allows him to put back into the community by helping people and distributing information.
    surely its better for Joe and indeed anyone else interested (for whatever reasons) to get all the facts together rather than try in 10 or 15 years time when memories are older, documents lost forever, and sources of information no l onger with us ?

    the way your putting things hes damned if he does, damned if he doesnt.
     
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    #518 joe sackey, Jul 31, 2007
    Thanks Chaos. My instincts tell me Carsinxs and Ruf MD were playing the tag-team game of "Hijack this thread with replicar drivel", thats all.

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    #519 RufMD, Jul 31, 2007
    Chaos,

    I like transparency...if business is the motivation, so be it but let it be stated as such. If this collection of posts is just a review of whats out there for everyone to find, then I am sure it will still be on the web in 10 or 15 years time. I find it amusing that a reference is made to Joe being a "paid sponsor" as if that warrants some sort of bowing in reverence. If anything, paid sponsors should have their own section to hawk their wares so that the integrity and intent of posts is not confused.

    If Joe wants to go from being the miura expert to being the f40 expert, might I suggest coming up with something original and self authored with no attached trading motivation.....might make it all the more credible. JMHO of course, and if you disagree, I respect that.
     
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    Hopefully post # 336 for example meets your satisfaction in this regard...

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    #521 RufMD, Jul 31, 2007

    I make one post in reference to the 288GTO Carpenter clone, and yet in order to view a compilation of lifted pictures from the web, have endured a pointless and self serving back slapping parade between Sir Joe and Lord Haw Haw...who's spewing the drivel here Joe ?

    Oh, I'm sorry, you're a "paid sponsor"....forgive me for I have sinned....
     
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    Dear Comrade chaos,

    I am in total agreement with you here. Joe Sackey may well be involved within the sales of motor cars and he is perfectly entitled to be so. This notwithstanding, it would seem to me that it is his enthusiasm for motor cars that has perhaps brought him into the sales of such things and not vice versa. For myself, I would much prefer to acquire a motor car from a true enthusiast knowing that he had utilised his expertise in sourcing the motor car and then, in profiting from the ultimate sale he will therefore have almost certainly, time and again placed his reputation on the line. For myself, I would much prefer to acquire a motor car from someone who had everything to lose - by this I mean his reputation amongst his contemporaries. And if Joe Sackey gains sales from his efforts and the trust that may be created from his activities upon this Forum, then I for one am delighted for him to do so. However, I cannot once recall any overt activity whatsoever by Joe in promulgating his business activities.

    Joe may well collate information from the internet - so what? I really cannot be bothered to do this and am only too pleased that Joe is so brobdingnagianly altruistic thus to perform this service for his friends upon this Forum, and whom, such as myself, are sorry that others have seen fit to pour scorn and derision upon him and ridicule him for behaving in a very generous and honourable fashion. Furthermore, Joe is a very positive gentleman and is genuinely doing his level best to hold the integrity of the thread together. And yes, I have been guilty of introducing some amusing anecdotes here and there, and these have often been a little wayward and certainly 'off-topic' to some extent. But this has only ever been light hearted banter, and naturally if someone is looking for an altercation, then I will defend myself, and this I have also been guilty of. We all do make mistakes on occasion and perhaps Joe may have made one or two; but with the number of posts he makes there is bound to be the occasional error. For myself, I am happy to report that in my whole life I have only been wrong once - and that was when I thought I was wrong, but wasn't.

    Furthermore, I understand that our Queen is an avid observer of the Forum, so if if there is a coterie of miscreants within a conclave seeking to defame Joe Sackey thus to eliminate the potential of his nomination within our Queens's New Year's Honours List, then I must respectfully inform them that they are wasting their time. Joe will be receiving a kinighthood and that's that.

    With kind regards,

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    #523 RufMD, Jul 31, 2007


    right on cue.....
     
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    #524 joe sackey, Jul 31, 2007
    What a load of bollocks (language Im sure you understand) :)
    Every post I make attaches my business website. Im also well known in the community for my classic car business so your notion that this is some big revelation is laugable. The mention of sponsorship was exactly my aforementioned point... Its there for all to see that Im a sponsor so that clearly implies that I have a business interest in the cars. BTW, sponsors DO have their own section too.
    Clearly, this thread is not "just a review of whats out there" and anyone reading this can tell. You yourself visit this thread (and post) quite often dont you? You must like wasting your time ..... or find something of interest here to keep coming back. Check in again by all means. Im sure youll continue to do so... see you next time.

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    #525 joe sackey, Jul 31, 2007
    PLEASE, spare yourself the mediocrity of this unpopular thread and tune out :) Clearly there is nothing here for you, right? Funny, you keep coming back though...

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