That seems like arbritraty limits. Why not 12500rpm ? I know I am repeating myself, but I say put an engine size limit, overal weight limit, same tires for everyone, get rid of front and rear wing and let the engineers go nuts with everything else
when did you see a road car engine that revs to 19000rpm ? when was the last time slick tyres were allowed on the road ? now if you take into account that racing is supposed to improve the breed (and F1 is the pinnacle of racing) then why bother introducing things that have no use on anything bar a specialist racing car. besides there have always been limits and tbh you need them. you need a weight limit you need engine limits you need tyre limits etc etc you need everyone reading from the same book - otherwise you will never have close or fair racing. i want to see close racing with plenty of overtaking opportunities. i dont want to see yet another procession thats won or lost in the pits and i feel changing the rules "could" achieve that btw theres a thread about this now http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=161706 rather than clog up this one with off topic chat.
I think we're seeing that Phil's real race strategist was Schumi. Whoever was filling in this weekend just isn't up to the task. They loaded Phil up with so much fuel he could barely get around corners. Okay: gutsy move to do a one stop with those tires. But no, they brought him in after 35 and switched to the option tires. Long way to run on one set of softs. But no again: 15 laps later they bring him in and put *another* set of option tires on? What the phlange where they thinking???!! That race "strategy" made no sense at all. If you're doing two stops, what was the point of the crippling fuel load at the start? Massa has the right attitude: Forget this mess and start thinking about Turkey. And start thinking about getting Ross or Michael on the other end of the headset. Interesting speculation: If Massa (the defending driver, remember) takes Turkey, that will be three wins each for all four of the top runners. 12 races: 4 drivers x 3 wins ea. A Ferrari 1-2 would be nice, especially if Alonso slams the door on his teammate again. But that was a bit of teamwork between Schumi and Massa that put Alonso in the box and locked him out of turn one. Ferrari this year doesn't seem to have that level of cooperation within the team. I'm not sure that this is a year that either team will look back on as a "golden moment" in their history.
cute Although this was not most exiting race, oh hell even Kimi said "It was a kind of boring race, just driving behind and waiting for something to happen. " Kimi kept up with Hamilton even though the LWB Ferrari is said to be lacking in slow tracks, this is a glimmer of good news. We know the LWB is good on fast tracks, now the team has to remember to put fuel in the cars during pit stops.
everything is ok Tony. but when u run a heavy car, it's sluggish, difficult to brake, and easy to run wide. Kimi's fastest lap of the race says that Ferraris is the fastest car out there. it's just this stupid track is the problem.
McLaren yet to decide if to pursue appeal By Biranit Goren and Mark Glendenning Monday, August 6th 2007, 03:17 GMT McLaren could withdraw their appeal against the decision by the Hungarian Grand Prix stewards, but team boss Ron Dennis insisted they have yet to decided that despite reports to the contrary. The stewards denied McLaren their constructors points from the Hungarian Grand Prix after ruling the team had acted in qualifying on Saturday in a manner "considered prejudicial to the interests of the competition and to the interests of motor sport generally." McLaren notified the stewards within an hour that they will appeal the decision, but Dennis himself already hinted after yesterday's race that the team are uncertain they will pursue this route. And, with reports suggesting that Mercedes motorsport boss Norbert Haug has already ruled out the appeal going through, Dennis moved to clarify the team will only reach a decision about it today, when back in the factory. "We truly have done nothing other than maintain the concept of withdrawing the appeal as an option," Dennis said last night. "We will discuss it internally. "It's frustrating to go away from here without any constructors' points, but it was a very good damage limitation exercise. We lost eight points of our advantage. "We will look at everything very, very calmly over the course of the next 24 hours and will then decide whether to pursue the path of appeal." Dennis remained adamant, however, that the team did not act in the manner accorded to them by the stewards. "We have done some work and explained in our press release that the stewards were very correct in saying that we held Fernando and there were only four cars on the circuit," Dennis explained. "But the reality was that there were five cars who were going to rejoin the circuit, and it's making sure that you're not behind those cars is the reason you adopt the process of holding the car. "But clearly - even as was apparent by the fact that Fernando only crossed the start-line with less than a second to go and Lewis failed to do so - it was clearly not part of our plan nor consistent with the discussions that we'd had in the previous 24 hours." Dennis also said it was vital the team regrouped before the next Grand Prix and put the strains of the Hungaroring weekend behind them. "Between now and the next Grand Prix, we will definitely try and put some calmness in the team and arrive in Turkey in a more tranquil environment than we experienced this weekend."
so let me get this straight. they were holding alonzo because they didn't want him to get BEHIND cars that weren't even ON the circuit yet? they aren't appealing anything. mark my word.
Boring race, especially coming from the crazy weather at the exciting European GP. Dismal weekend for Massa, though I'm happy Alonso didn't make the podium. SF have a lot of ground to make up in the remaining races. Onto Turkey!
I thought the Ferrari team looked silly after Qualifying and now after Massa's race stratagy it seems that something is really wrong with the whole team. Maybe Todt is just not up to the management of the team. Kimi showed he is a top notch driver, but if it is true he does not want to test, Ferrari needs another top notch driver. The track may not be lend itself for making passes but keep in mind that Alonso did it
And to think only a matter of days ago we were crucifying Scott Speed for getting nowhere, and he had to drive a Toro Rosso not a Ferrari. Doesn't this show us that all of these guys can be pretty impressive given the right circumstances and tools for the job? ( and equally mediocre when dealt a bad hand) Wouldn't it have been nice to see LH debut in an STR, would he really obliterate the current incumbents ? I for one believe Liuzzi would do a better job than either Couthard or Webber in a RB. Not that an RB is that wonderful a car. Maybe Liuzzi will get a another shot at the Williams drive, possible according to something heard on the British broadcast of last nights GP.
How about the ENTIRE Ferrari package just isn't that great this year ? Everything from the aero, team management, driving, tires, setup, psychology to strategy, and everything else. Folks seem to forget that when MS quit, so did A TON of other people - besides Brawn. All I read are a lot of excuses and guesswork: ie: Massa has had a full load of fuel before, and he managed to keep the 'slower' cars behind him.
Fred was running muc much lighter compared to Phil. anyways, i really thought Kimi was running a bit heavier than Hammi. i thought Hammi would have pitted 1st and Kimi 3 laps later at least. i was a bit stunned to see them pit together. i knew Kimi's race was pretty much over at that point of time. was it that he was almost out of fuel, or that they just didn't seem to have the right strategy. Kinda sad. i really hope Ross comes back. it's really getting dissapointing seeing Ferrari, with a much faster car, finishing 2nd. anyways, the win was a shallow one. with the spy saga off the track, and that quali incident, they whole race, IMO, went w/out soul. i just feel this year's championship is spoiled, whoever wins it.
haha i can't wait for Turkey. 3 friggin weeks away it's so much better track, and i hope to some great overtaking moves.
+1. pretty pointless IMO. both titles, are Macs to lose. they seem to be a really troubled team at the moment. i haven't seen Ron Dennis this 'stressed out' or 'tired out' before. and he looked so solemn even after his protege won.
I am sure it has Ron Dennis wishing for Mika Hakkinen and David Coulthard to be back, by the way I don't think Hamilton is that much faster than Raikonnen in equal cars, so if Hamilton moves to Ferarri, I really do not expect him to be leaving Raikonnen in the dust.
My point is that the things that are happening this year between both drivers must have Ron Dennis reminiscing about the days when he still had Mika and David, instead of these two.
Lewis Hamilton's victory in the Hungarian Grand Prix was one of the 'hardest of his career' according to the world championship leader after his weekend was packed full of controversy and intrigue. The Briton now has a seven point lead over team-mate Fernando Alonso, who could only manage fourth after fighting back from his controversial five-place grid penalty. Having deliberately gone against team orders during qualifying, Hamilton, who drew accusations from team boss and mentor Ron Dennis that it was the 22-year-old's actions which caused the mix-up in the pits that cost Fernando Alonso five places on the grid, faced enormous pressure to deliver a win. Not only that but the Briton also had to fend off a charging Kimi Raikkonen while fighting a steering problem in his car. "All I know is that I think today with some of the problems that I had it probably made it one of the hardest races I have ever had to do," he said afterwards. Like him or not you have to admit he can stand pressure. IMO This infighting can only help Ferrari..
