Im sure its too soon..but perhaps someone out there knows... - What sort of numbers of cars are your dealers telling you they will get? - Whats their yearly allocation? total allocation? - how long are they saying the production run of the 430 Scuderia is? My sources tell me that the 430 Scuderia is being labelled a normal production car and not going to be a "limited edition". My sources also say this is alot to do with Ferrari trying to get an extension of the Sept 2008 deadline for the 430 fast approaching. In otherwords Ferrari supposedly cant introduce a whole new car and expect it to be included in an extension for an exemption...but a optioned out 430 that is now called a "430 Scuderia" should be ok. As for yearly allocations for dealers...I have no idea...
Hard to tell. Based on your info why can't an "optioned out" normal production 430 Scuderia, be made in limited quantities, therefore making it special? Making it a normal production car is the rumor I'm hearing too. I find it hard to believe that F will not make this a limited car like they've done with most other end of line special editions. The petition for extending the exemption would tell the story. Maybe we can get our hands on that like before.
I haven't found any filings in the public domain which would indicate that Ferrari has filed for another exemption........I can't prove a negative, but I'll keep hunting for any applicable filings. Ron, tonight I poured over the original Challenge Stradale preview brochure and Geneva PR materials and they read similarly to the 430 Scuderia info......no mention about limited production, while the numbers are likely to be low. In other words, no news from me....just rumor and innuendo!
Thanks! I think what makes a big difference in alot of people getting cars is going to depend on the possible extension of this Sept 2008 cutoff. I hope they get one if indeed they are seeking it (as I hear they are). If they dont and the US market does get something like only 3-5 months of 430 Scuderias delivered...I cant even begin to the feeding frenzy that we will call the secondary resale market.
The 348 had a production span from 1989 -1995 (overlapping with the 355) with the "competizione GTC" for street sold in Europe only. The 355 had a six year production cycle from 1994-1999 with the serie Fiorano coming out in the last year. The 360 was produced from 1999 to 2004, another 6 year production cycle, with the CS coming out in the last year only. The 430 was introduced as an 05 model and it's 07 now. The 430 Scud being introduced in september as an 08 model, doesn't seem to fit into a "last year edition" cathegory (like the serie Fiorano and the CS) unless 08 really will be the last year the 430 is produced. I find it a bit unlikely since the 430 then only will have had a four year production cycle. However, maybe Ferrari has figured in a short production cycle for the 430 in their balance sheets. Maybe they have so much money in their R & D budget that forgoing the profit for the last two years of a traditional six year production cycle wont matter. Maybe 08 really will be the end of the 430 generation which turns out to then have been an interim model until a completely new ferrari will be unveiled for 2009. The above might very well be true but I find the scenario unlikely. I doubt that the US market is important enough for Ferrari to drop the succesfull 430 generation for, and build a new car. Because as far as I've heard, the 430, as it is produced today, has no problems being sold in other parts of the world. And although the US market is Ferraris biggest market, I find it hard to believe that it outweighs Europe, Asia, Africa?, Middle East, Australia, Canada, Central and South America combined It is as far as I know, only in the US that 430 sales are restricted after 08. So what then is more likely to happen? I don't think anyone outside of Ferrari really knows for sure. But we can always speculate. I for one think that the 430 scud will come to our shores as a significatly different version than the rest of the world will get. It will be "federalized" like all other f cars, but this time around the changes will be more significant since the changes will be made to a car that is meant to be light weight. The US version of the scud will of course have the airbag issue resolved and instead of an engine bay lexan, we'll probably get something heavier. But in the end we'll still get the Scud although not the Jenny Craig version that we are hoping for. It also wont be an exclusive one year only car, like the serie Fiorano or the CS. The Scud will more likely come out in a three year prodution, alongside the F430 (with revised airbags) to complete the traditional six year cycle. However in this scenario everybody comes out a winner. The DOT gets their safety issues resolved, and Ferrari gets to complete their six year production cycle. Ferrari also get to charge an arm and a leg plus a left nut for the scud, to compensate for costs incurred by having to make changes to please the US DOT. Of course the lucky few americans that get to own the scud will foot the bill for the DOT required changes. But they will be winners too because what could possibly be better than getting to drive the latest F car? Nothing save being Jessica Albas next BF. -Peter PS $ I feel your pain!
Is there any mention on MSRP's? A waiver extension and modifications to meet DOT requirements would be the perfect reason for a significant MSRP increase in the US on all F430's.
Apparently F were talking to the DOT back in June on the extension according to this guy: http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=136784195&postcount=18 My guess is it is wrapped up. No need to for them to spill the beans on it too early. Better to keep us guessing The fact there there's going to even be a 430S suggests that something has been worked out. BTW, apparently F have invited 75 special guests to a special showing of the 430S in Monterey this month.
Yeah, I recall that exchange, but "anna" claimed to be divulging attorney client privileged information which is either: A) BS or B) Stupidity as it is a career ending move Pick one!
Mark, Did you actually select options and got a print out from the dealer? Or did your dealer just promise you one in the future?
I spoke to my dealer in Canada and they believe the Scuderia will be very limited but they will not know for sure until the car is released in September. I for one hope it would be limited...would make it a more special car, just like the Stradale as been.
Sticker???? really??? I thought all ferraris, new untitled ones too, were going to get sold at market price. Well if ferraris still will get sold at msrp, Ill keep on searching for my wholy graal. -Peter PS Congrats!! =)))
I have no factual information, but I would predict that with the new market pricing opportunity for dealers, only very good or best customers will be able to buy cars at MSRP. Everyone else will pay market. As a result, I think there will be no consistency on actual prices paid for new cars any more. Full range between MSRP & market, whatever each turns out to be.
