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Francis,

Please check your records regarding the engine configuration. The 312P is not a flat 12 as you have previously stated but in fact a V12. I believe it to be a direct relative of the Formula 1 engine of the same era?

David

 

I didn't say a flat engine David. I said a flat 312P. I mean the shape of the car is very flat. I know the 312P has a V12 engine...

 

I have not seen my friend Macca post for awhile so these are for him. How many people can you identify? Car? Venue? Year?
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1964 USGP at Watkins Glen. Ferrari 158?....not sure about the denomination, but both the Surtees and Bandini (lower picture) cars ran in the NART white and blue colors. With Surtees in the photo are Forgheri and Borsari.

 

could well be 1512 F1 with s/n 0007and 0008. 0008 was shown during the 60th Anniversary concours at Fiorano.

 

It is an 1512 F1, just have a close look at the engine and count the number of inlet stacks

 

David posted the photo below earlier in the thread.
At Watkins-Glen 1964, there were 4 Ferraris with the N.A.R.T. colors. 2 V8s, 1 V6, 1 flat12.
Giulio BORSARI is sitting in n°7, a V8.
John SURTEES is sitting on n°8, a V6. See the "T" for training on the front.
Behind is another n°7 with a V8, maybe another training car.
In the race Surtees was n°7, a V8 and Lorenzo BANDINI was n°8 with the flat12.
Compare the two number 8 cars and see the many differences.
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t'as tout juste Giotto

 

Hi,

Thanks and Congratulations for your “archives”; there exists so much “evil-minded” non respectful of the intellectual property.

JLD

 

Again gentlemen thanks for sharing these fantastic photos! Please keep them coming!

After seeing Bill's wonderful photos of the 312PB at Spa in '73 (great story too!) it prompts me to ask the following question. Please forgive my ignorance of Ferrari racing history (or if this has been answered elsewhere). Why doesn't Ferrari continue to produce prototype sports cars like the 312PB to compete at Le Mans and other such races? Yes they are well represented in GT2 by the F430, but why don't they still turn out mind blowing prototype racers like they used to? I'd love to see a modern equivalent to the 312PB thrashing around Spa or Road Atlanta today!

Gary

 

Since too many years, Ferrari is trapped in Formula 1... Some years ago, we had the chance to see the 333 SP but now, nothing... Enjoy the photos of these fabulous racers from the past, like this one.
Pedro RODRIGUEZ and David PIPER drove this 312P at Le Mans in 1969.
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I think the competition in the most prestigious prototype class has gotten too expensive, especially with Audi/Peugeot and the rules favouring Diesel cars...

 

My guess is that this springs from the difference between the personal agenda of Enzo Ferrari and the more pragmatic agenda of Fiat. For the former, racing was the passion of a lifetime; for the latter, a positioning statement for a corporate brand. Seen in that light, there is no reason to budget for a multiplicity of racing categories when the brand excels in the premier category world-wide.

 

I had not thought of it in those terms, but your reasoning makes perfect sense. Shame really. No doubt they could come up with some very competitive modern prototypes. I'd particularly like to see them take it to Porsche in the LMP2 class.

Thank you Giotto for that photo of the 312P. What a beautiful racer! Any more photos of this model? If I had the cash flow I'd love to have one of these to run at vintage race days.

Gary

 

In 1969, FERRARI entered various race cars in different categories. Formula 1, Sport/Prototype, European Hillclimb Championship and Canam. Mauro FORGHIERI and the Scuderia mechanics worked always hard.
In 1970, the two 312P were entered by the North American Racing Team. In this shot, we can see one of the berlinettas in practice for the Le Mans 24 hours race. Pilots were Tony ADAMOWICZ and Chuck PARSONS.
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Hi Gary,

Some interesting pages on the 312 P on Tony Adamowicz website:

http://www.a2zracer.com/page21.html
http://www.a2zracer.com/page23.html
http://www.a2zracer.com/page29.html

 

Some more photos of the 312PB in 1973 and a 365 GTB/4. The first photo was taken at the 1973 International Racing Car Show in London in early January 1973. The next 2 are again from Spa along with the 365 GTB/4. There’s one shot from the ADAC 1000km at the Nurburgring and finally early evening Saturday at Le Mans and two shots from early Sunday morning at Le Mans.

Enjoy,

Bill
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Giotto:

That is a wonderful picture made even better by your mention of Sr. Bellentani. As a young boy, I went to the 1970 12 hours of Sebring. I was lucky enough to have a seat above the Ferrari pits (a metal folding chair). Sr. Bellentani was below with the SEFAC 512's of Andretti, Merzario, Giunti and Vaccarella. NART had the 312s there for Parkes and Parsons, Coco and Adamowicz and a 512 for Bucknam and Posey as well. Sr. Bellentani motioned from below for me to come to the fence at the back of the pits before the race. I went down the steps and stood clutching the wire fence and he came to the back of the pit area and gave me two rectangular Ferrari Stickers, two Scuderia Shield stickers and a pat on the head. I could speak no italian and he no english, but he and the Ferrari team had a fan for life. It made a tremendous impression on me that he took to time to do that. Over the years through pictures and magazine captions, I learned the name of that nice mechanic who gave those stickers to me.

Many years later I went to Monaco (1985), I saw Sr. Bellentani again, hard at work with the Ferrari F1 team on the Quai in front of the Riva boat factory. I called to him by name from the edge of the awning space that the team was working within. He stopped and came over and I tried to tell him who I was and thank him (in very broken italian) for what he did so long ago. I doubt if he even remembered giving that little boy the stickers, but we smiled at each other, traded "Forza Ferrari"s and went back to what we were doing, he working on the Johanssan and Alboreto cars and I taking pictures. I was glad to have the opportunity to thank him for doing what he did.

 

Good times, they were. I remember flying to London on the same plane with Jonathon Williams after Monza one year and standing in line at the Mexico City airport after the Grand Prix there with Rob Walker who was surprised that a teenager would recognize him. He talked fondly of "Seppi" and explained a few things that had happened in the race. I think this kind of access is limited today and yours are anecdotes that underscore just how special this sport can be.

 

Hi Ramon,

Wow, what a great web site! Thanks for the links.

I have seen photos covering a wide range of different types of Ferrari race cars on this thread over the past few months, and I've enjoyed all of them. But I must say that the sports car and prototype racers from the '60s and early '70s have become my favorites. No wonder Napolis loves them so much (thus leading to the creation of the P4/5).

All I can say is keep'em coming!

Gary

 

not sure if thispage has been seen before (probably has) but i came across it in my net travels this afternoon.

http://www.virhistory.com/vir/marques/ferr-gallery-01.htm

 

Nice site with many old Ferrari photos like the Daytona, 512 boxers etc

http://jc.andruet.free.fr/p-photos.html

 

Afraid I was too slow with those pics from the Glen '64...........and they were a little easier, being Ferraris. The only thing I note is that the V6 'T'-car has acquired inlets on the sides of the nose (to cool the inboard shocks) that it didn't have when Bandini used it to win the Austrian GP earlier that year.

Paul M

 

Regazzi, Attached is a photo I scanned from a Ferrari Owner's Club meeting at Mas du Clos in September of 1970. The car could be a little more than a year old and Bardinon had it in his collection already. I believe it to chassis 0870? I recall reading that Bardinon's 14 year old son held the lap record at the Circuit with this car. I was the same age at the time and thought this to be incredible and could only marvel at what it must have been like to have a current Ferrari Sports racer at a track in your own backyard.
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