Reventon thread

As of now, it's currently not a matter of them "might being able to sell all 20 of these cars", it's a matter of how long the building process will be for all 20 buyers. Every car was spoken for before 95% of us knew such a car was being made.

 

Yeah. Big 24-carat gold ones...

Joe
www.joesackey.com

 

That's the only thing I could think of that would justify such an extravagent price... as someone said, a Lambo FXX (or is that LXX?), but with less emphasis on development and more on financing!

 

Take a Diablo Roadster, round it out a bit to make it match current styles, keep the scoops in the exact same place but make them all bigger. Scoop out the nose a bit like the Enzo.

Change the roof so it automatically retracts. Open up the engine compartment like the Veyron and CGT. Add a supercharger or twin turbos. Make the instrument panel fully digital.

Have 3 seats with center driving position ala McLaren F1. Leave everything else the same

.. and I'm in for 1.5MM. I have a dream.

 

We shall see when they are all built. They also said all of the Versace cars were spoken for before they were built, yet some are stiill available at MSRP. As I said, there is a differnce between Lambo Spa selling them all to their dealers, and the dealers selling them all to the end uesrs.

 

Even if it is a rebodied Murc. with heavily modified mechanicals, I think that they will (if they have not already) sell without a problem. Take a look at the Fisker line of cars....rebodied BMW and Mercedes that are selling for, if I remember correctly, 300-400K.

 

That's a $250k premium, not 4X that...

 

Yes, I realize that but that 250K premium is from a startup company with no history or real name recognition.

 

A rebody is a rebody and there is only so much that can be charged for it, no matter who's name is on it.

But now we've got off track. The Lambo will be much, much more than a simple rebody. Right?

 

When are we going to know more?

 

Milking the Cow...

Joe
www.joesackey.com

 

True, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were all accounted for. After all, the price difference between the Versace and this is $800,000+.

 

Joe not trying to be rude, but you seem to have a real problem with the newer lambos. You said they are tech laiden grand tourers right? How would you purpose they fix it? it is so difficult to make a lightweight car these days with all the restrictions, and no modern car seems to get credit for having soul like any old car. Just curious about suggestions that you may have

 

If only I knew... but somehow i think it is current manufacturers that should be answering that question.

Joe
www.joesackey.com

 

Joe, what do you think it will be?

 

I know what u mean... LOL.. But, as my favorite marque, I'd still give them another chance...

I am merely doing a rough SUPER rough analysis based on the information that is available. Because we all know that audi doesnt want to put more money into the company. The murcie is near the end of its product cycle. And to realistically develop a whole new car is gonna cost some big money... And I am sure that Lamborghini saw how Pininfarina made big profit off the p4/5... and bingo.... solution to development money. If Pininfarina can charge that much for a rebody enzo, why not Lamborghini? (On a side note, many exotic car companies have been doing it for the sultan of brunei and make big profits. for a long time... )But honestly, it really is up to lamborghini to charge anything they want for a vehicle. I mean in all fairness, it is a new vehicle, its is gonna be different than the murcie... So not a big deal if the chassis is still murcie... that chassis and the v-12 are the last remnants of the old Lamborghini. And on that regards, I would consider it become a collectible car....

I dont think however that the new car is trying to use the current miura values as the reason to charge more. There is difference between the value of a classic versus a new vehicle... I see the p4/5 as the more likely comparison that Lamborghini looked at...

Ultimately, I think a new car based on the murcie is great for enthusiasts as well as the company. And if both have benefited from this, why not? As i stated before... if Jim can rebody an enzo, the sultan of brunei can rebody the countless astons, and ferraris, why not Lamborghini?

 

Fisker had been around designing cars for a while though. Even then I agree it was a bit of a stretch, and the cars ended up a little too catfish-looking and not as elegant as the Aston's he'd overseen.

 

There is a reason that it will be presented as a scale model! The car is not built yet. Simple. If it was based on a Murci chassis, then it would be very easy to show a full scale mock up. Lamborghini does not have the ability to re-tool, re-certify, something that would justify a $1.6 price tag. The 6.5 motor is at the edge of its power limit with maybe, 670 left in it. Yes, they could do lots of thing to make more power, but it would have to be re-certified to become a street legal car. If they are trying to do something like the FXX program, maybe. But Lamborghini is not Ferrari. They do not have an F1 team and the massive amount of development facilities that it includes to work with with. The FXX program is very well put together with support from Ferrari's racing department.

I'm all for Lamborghini pushing the limit with extreme cars. But do it the right way. Don't show up with a 1/4 scale model of something. ****, you could just as easy e-mail your best customers a photo/design sketch and tech details and ask "Would you be willing to pay $1.5 for this?"

Now this could all be a bunch of dis-information they have leaked out and they are going to show up with a real car. That's what I would do. That way when the car does come out, it would get the real wow factor.

Or they could just show up with the car all their customers want, a lighter LP640 -250-300lbs, 2 wheel drive, with 660-670hp, a big wing, little upgrades here and there, done. But why keep customers happy?

Either way, should be fun up there.

Keith

 

I'm sure Lamborghini won't disappoint.

 

For starters, Audi has taken too much control of Lamborghini. Audi is a souless company, look at their products over the years. They purchased a company with a great soul and pushed that aside with their own influence. It's no wonder at all what has resulted.

A step in the right direction (which will never occur with the 'strict' German discipline) would be to give the Italians back control Lamborghini and merely provide funding and 'run the basics' like the dealer network, service network, marketing, etc. Allow the Italians, who have a strong track record of providing many cars with 'soul', to do what they do best (hint: it's not following German orders).

How about that?

Germans have a long track record of providing souless cars (not just Audi) and some 'cute' cars (Beetle, Isetta, Messerschmitt, etc). The Italians have a great track record of providing cars with soul. In the end, it really boils down to how the drivetrain is put together.

As for your "how do you do this in today's world" comment, there is nothing 'tech laden' about the 2008 Viper ('cept the motor)...so, it can be done. As for lightweight, look no further than the CGT. Again, can be done.

-J

 

light weight can be done as the cgt... But look how many units to spread the cost out.. And of course how much money before hand Porsche had to pour in first... Both are things Lamborghini really cant afford to do right now...

As to a model vs the real thing... I think the model being shown is the easiest way to sell the car vs a full blown mockup. Because ultimately, Lamborghini wouldnt have to build a prototype vs just going from 1/4 model straight to full size production vehicle. Perhaps the model in 1/4 scale is already sufficient enough given the fact that there are only 20 customers.....

worse case is same Lp 640 engine... just a complete rebody...

 

Its crazy when you think about it.

The latest 1$M+ cars were the CLK GTR, The FXX and the Veyron.

I dont see this car matching the Veyron for top speed.
I dont see this car matching the FXX on the track unless Lambo has been developping it in their secret underground track for years.
I dont see this car being a Homologation Special for a future Racing Lambo.


Where else other than a limited edition Lambo, will they justify the price tag ??

 

They don't need to justify the price. A lot of guys want what others don't have and therefore IMHO it will sell itself.

 

Yes its is sold out but id think a company with a long term view would still want to justify such a high price tag so their future cutomers dont think they will be getting ripped off ..

 

Actually, it already did. All 20 are spoken for...