Reventon thread

Exactly

The Mosler, the Saleen and the SSC are all kitcars with idenitiy crisis going on with the makers.

atleast the Ultima isn't advirtising itself as a Supercar although many people call it just that.

 

The Noble is a kitcar, you buy it and you have to provide the powerplant.

 

Its basicly a mid engined C5 Z06 horribly built.

I think it would have been much better if GM would have built the damn thing as a midengined vette atleast they could have barrowed parts cause the mosler looks very underdeveloped. I have seen more fiero based kits that look more complete.

The Lambo will always be on another level.

 

For the most part ill never B.s and say chevy small blocks are crap, god built those engines! they are simply buillet proof, you can mod then beat em and still drive them everyday and this other guy is gonna try and argue that the Veyron would be more reliable than an Ultima with a small block. You can build an LSx motor to push out a 1000hp very easly and drive it everyday to work, weekends still take it to the track, and still take your wife out for dinner in one day, I wish I could say the same about the Veyron.

 

When the Veyron needs an oil change, and it will, you can't just go to Jiffy Lube to get a filter and have it done the same day. Your Bug will me gone for a week lol

The Pantera was my first sports car, and I swapped a 460 in there.

The Ultima is a purpose built chassis (your or the factory build it) that is not built on a Fiero, Vette, VW or other car that can pull over a full g on the skidpad, and from the factory beat the 0-100-0, 0-60, 1/4mile, and standing mile of most so called "supercars". So what if you assemble it yourself? Call it what you want folks, they can pwn your steers and geldings all day long.

 

I thought it was aviable with the engine seperate from the car?

Testshoot are you considering buying a Ultima? Theres a yellow one with a TT LS2 thats just nasty that went on the Hot Rod Power Tour. A pantera with a 460 that would be alot of fun.

 

The yellow tt one sold from Brammo to some other guy, he beat it up and to be honest, I was leaning towards the Can-Am. To be honest a convert/open top may not be a good choice. The only convertable I have been in for the last three years belongs to redd430 here, and even going to lunch, I get burned beyond belief!

A 460 with cobra heads in a Pantera is beyond fast. And beyond tail-happy. I was young, did not know any better, wrapped it around a tree in NY one summer. The car did sound like the wrath of the all-mighty!

 

I have no idea of the current market value of a Ultima but have you thought about a GTX1? If your looking for a car thats rare and turns head that would be the one to do it. Theres a guy on FGT forums with the Can-Am 720 IIRC, cool car. I dont think you can go wrong with any of the ultimas and the chevy power plant.

Did you have a different cam in the car as well? By cobra heads do you mean 428 heads? Ive heard a 460 in a stang before and its just sounds nasty. Tail happy can be extremly fun at certain times.

 

You pretty much buy the car without the engine and tranny for around 65k and when you buy the complete ford running gear it comes up to around 95k.

The best engine for an Ulitma is the LS7, I saw one on Youtube making more than a 1000RWHP TT LS7 powerplant it was a monster.

There's a couple nasty ls6 and Ls2's out there as well can't wait to see when someone uses the blue devil engine in an Ultima, thats gonna be sick!.

 

Don't forget the guy who will be changing it will also be wearing a nice white texto with white gloves and such . Hands you the bill for 4k.

The Ultima is a kitcar like nothing else out there on the road today and pretty much beats everything at the track meets except for the Mclaren F1 GTR and Dauer Lemans 962. The best part of all is its GM powered to so you'll have some of the best reliablitly out there. The Noble is pretty much the same to but alittle more practical and a little less powerfull.

 

Here are the details from a gent who was in CA:


- The new 1.5 million dollar Lamborghini has been such a hush-hush secret. It is NOT a 'Veyron-beater' however... not even close.

- The idea behind this 'new lambo' was to make a rare collectible (only 20 will be built). It is essentially an LP640 with some performance tweaks, and the horsepower is about 20 more than the LP640. So no... its not a 700+ hp car. What will really make it unique is the body design, which is completely different from the Murci. It is inspired by a fighter plane (eg. F-22 lightning) and will look a lot like a jet plane. So you are essentially getting a murci with an extremely unique space-aged looking 'rocketship' body, with being only one of 20 people out there with one... supposedly only available in a 'military' color. So is it worth 1.5 mil? You decide.

- 10 for the US, and the rest overseas. All that were offered to specific owners were bought immediately. From the initial deposit, another $300,000 euros are required to ensure your purchase, then another $300,000 before it gets shipped out to you. The car is to be built/released sometime in mid-2008. The actual concept car will be revealed at the Frankfurt auto show. Even the potential owners of this car have only seen drawings can concept schematics. So no... its not the scary looking Lamborghini Alar that is being custom built from the Diablo in Argentina.

- Question is if the car will hold its value, and possibly go up in price? With a Veyron at the same price, its hard to say, since you get a lot more value for the buck with the Veyron. But then again only 20 of these 'Super-Murci's' will be built... vs. 300 Veyrons. I asked why they didn't want to make say, 40 of these cars, and they said that they never expected that these 1.5 mil collectibles would sell so well... and so quickly.

 

Aparently it isn't that obvious for you. there is a general rule of thumb (which apparently isn't obvious to some) that the more parts you have, the more can and will go wrong. Do you disagree with that? No, i don't you can't because for the most part it is true, with a few exceptions. the veryon is not one of them. with that said, i direct you over to the gentlemen over at pistonheads.com, go to the utlima forum and ask them how reliable and easy it is for them to maintain their cars. Don't take this the wrong way, but you are wrong, and i can't help but get showered with your fanboyism every time i read one of your posts about the veyron. get over it. Just because something costs 1.5 million dollars should not mean it is at the top of the pedestal. But to be completely honest with you i probably like the ultima less then you, there is just no arguing with the facts.....

 

I will disagree with you there. The LS7 well it is a great engine cost IIRC 14k out of the box plus you need to mod it to handel boost. You can get a 427 shortblock from many companys for basically half that.

 

If you could afford a Veyron i'm sure 4K would be no problem at all.

 

I don't think that's the case. Just for the US I think, which is to get around the import laws easier. I'm pretty sure you can buy a Noble from them with the engine and everything in almost every other country so it's not a kit car.

 

Yeah iam sure but even if I could I still think its just stupid like Paris Hilton Stupid to have a car like that commanding such a price.

Id much rather have a Garage full of dream cars than have a Giant cockroach with a million dollar tux on.

 

You can get it with the engine instailed as well as without the powerplant.

Its been advirtised in Kitcar maginze as a kitcar, its been tested up against a FFR GTM, Ultima and a couple cobras already but its one of those kitcars thats got top notch quailty.

 

427 would probably be more difficult to find than an LS7 motor and plus the 427 shortblock weighs alittle more than the avarage LSX. You can mod the LSX like the 2JZ not nessarly do you need a 1000RWHP Twin turbo LSX for an Ultima unless thats what you really want its really what you want and what meets your needs. With a stock LS7 engine it can still out perform most Supercars.

 

I guess we just use the term kit-car differently. I use it for cars that come like a kit and you put it together. As far as I know, you can't purchase a Noble in pieces. Can you? Since it only comes as rolling chassis form (without engine) or complete, I don't think "kit car" is the proper term. You're not putting together a kit.

 

I have always heard that with a 'kitcar' you work off an existing chassis, and with the ultima, you use the ultima chassis. Most of the time you want them to build it anyway and send you car sans motor. The cost penalty is minimal.

As for the topic, I don't think this car can increase value anytime in the short term. It is like the Spykers, pretty, and pretty useless. Not gonna win anything, not gonna set records in anything, it is just purely luxury and a worthy one at that. The price? Well that is the exclusivity of it. Supply and demand and conspicuous consumption.

 

And you think oil changes for Lamborghini's are Ferrari's are cheap?

 

POST OF THE YEAR +1

 

Does anyone know if any will come to Canada?

 

one is going there...

 

I know they are much cheaper than the Veyron. atleast I don't have to pay as much as a new Kia to get my oil changed in a Diablo or F40 like I would with the Veyron.