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got a 550 today but need some help!!!

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  1. f355 Nashville

    f355 Nashville Karting

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    just got a 99 550 today but the check engine light is on and it says slow down? then the engine heats up all the way to the red after just 1 block around my house!!!
    the seller forgot to put the owners manual in the car, does anyone know where to check the coolant? seller told me he had the coolant system flushed a couple of weeks ago, i am thinking maybe they didnt "bleed" the system? anyone know how to bleed the system? i read something about turning on the heat and i did but the air that blew out felt like regular outside temp and not hot like heat should be.. ? confused any info is appreciated. thanks!
     
  2. rfking

    rfking Formula Junior

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    Where in the world did you have the PPI done?

    Do not drive the car!

    An Fchatter in the Nashville area will undoubtedly respond to your dilemma.

    Good Luck
     
  3. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    Those are two different issues.

    One issue is your SLOW DOWN light. That means that your catalytic converter(s) is/are near catching your car on fire. It can be a very serious situation.

    Your other problem is your engine overheating. When your coolant heats up into the red, you risk warping your heads enough to blow a head gasket. This may not be immediately apparent, either (your car may seem to run "fine" for some time before she blows).

    Has your car been in an accident? Do you have complete service records in hand?

    Obviously you want to take the car back if you bought it in this condition from a licensed Ferrari dealer (though they typically won't sell a car in that sort of condition).

    I'd recommend that you not drive it.

    Your two issues carry great personal risk as well as mechanical risk.
     
  4. f355 Nashville

    f355 Nashville Karting

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    i am going to take it in monday but i was hoping its something i can do like add some coolant or something so i can drive it tomorrow! the cats cant be catching on fire because i just started the car, it hasnt even had a chance to get hot yet. also the temp goes from cold to overheating in less than 2 minutes, it takes my 355 10 minutes just to warm up and this 550 is heating all the way to red in less than 3 minutes.
    i dont have the owners manual, can someone tell me where to look to check the coolant? also how do you bleed the coolant system?
     
  5. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

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  6. f355 Nashville

    f355 Nashville Karting

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    i actually dont know a whole lot about cars, know how to drive them but thats about it... actually i didnt even think to check the oil. i need to go out there and check the oil and see about the coolant. i talked to the seller and he said to just take it to the dealer and he would pay for whatever it needs. but still the dealer is 300 miles away and prob cant get to it till sometime next week. i am going to go take a peek and hopefully have something to post back. wish me LUCK!!
     
  7. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    The problem with checking a dry sump Ferrari's oil in your case is that the engine needs to be hot.
     
  8. ryalex

    ryalex Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Might just be a broken thermostat though. Hopefully, as that shouldn't be too bad to fix. I've had that happen and the car says it's overheating (and quickly) but it just *thinks* it is. Get it all checked out but I'd suggest starting there.

    I'm not a mechanic either though, so take it with a grain of salt.
     
  9. JazzyO

    JazzyO F1 World Champ

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    I've checked my manual to see if there are any other possible explanations, but No Doubt has covered them all.

    Considering your light comes up after 1 block around your house, which would NEVER be enough for the catalytic converters to heat up to dangerous levels, the sensor fault suggested seems likely. However, your engine could definitely heat up that quickly if its starved of oil or coolant and that problem to me seems much more serious (or at least it will be if you drive the car).

    Whatever the issues are, you should have the previous owner sort them out. He clearly misrepresented his car, but I also can't believe you bought it. Homework is a good thing, you know. Good luck with it - they are fantastic cars when properly sorted.


    Onno
     
  10. thibaut

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    In respect of water temperature, being in red in 2 minutes is really bad. Probably means the thermostat is not opening, or a big big air bubble keeping the collant to enter de radiator. Nothing that can be fixed DIY. I have had a coolant leak once and the temperature wasn't raising that quick. Given the costs involved in that one the only advice is: get the car towed to thee nearest dealer.

    The slow down light is probably a bad sensor.

    I hope your seller is honest because this may be a bit costly.
     
  11. DGS

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    Slow down light could be a contaminated sensor. Cooling issues at the same time.

    That could be a head gasket.

    Did you have a PPI (pre-purchase inspection) done? You bought a 550 and didn't get an owner's manual? No service records either?

    Did you buy this locally or from e/bay?

    (Why do I get the impression that a lot of Katrina cars are showing up on e/bay, with vetted titles?)
     
  12. judge4re

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    Not true.

    An ignition issue can dump raw gas on them and cause them to fail in less than 30 seconds.

    I've seen one catch fire on the dyno before with this failure mode...
     
  13. f355 Nashville

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    was kind of an impulse buy the other day. the manuals and etc are comming seperately via fedex.
    two questions

    1 should the oil dipstick show any oil if the engine is cold? if so how high on the dipstick should it be?

    2 i looked in the coolant tank and it looks bone dry. should there be coolant if the engine is cold or is the coolant only visible if the car is warmed up?

    i am not wanting to start the car since everything looks DRY!!


    i am going to go buy some coolant and oil hopefully when i get back someone smart would have posted.
     
  14. whart

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    I had some coolant and overheating issues with a 97 Maranello. The problem turned out to be a bad hose under the plenum, which is not an unusual occurence. But, the car did not get 'red hot' as quickly as yours.
    I would get a letter off to the seller, confirming that he will pay whatever to have the car sorted; even better if he countersigns it and returns it to you:- i would probably have it trailed to an authorized dealer and let them go over it carefully.

    No clue on the cat issue, but another good reason not to drive it until it is checked.

    If you didn't have a ppi done, this serves as a good lesson:- the amount of time necessary to have a car checked out is far less than what it will take to fix it once you own it. And a PPI is far cheaper, too.

    Good luck, and let us know what happens.
     
  15. dsd

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    +1

    I had a TR whose Dist Cap and Ignition wires went and Raw Fuel was pumped into the Cats. Luckily no fire started.

    Anyway, please have the car towed to the mechanic and do not drive it. Sorry to hear you are having issues, once they are sorted you will love the car.

    Best,
    dsd
     
  16. f355 Nashville

    f355 Nashville Karting

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    i will do a ppi next time, the seller is good for it, i know him on a personal level. i just dont like to have to wait.

    so when the engine in cold in a 99 550, should the oil dipstick show anyoil? if so where should it be or will the dipstick be totally dry till the engine heats up

    also should there be any coolant in the check tank on the top of the engine?

    does anyone have a 550 thats sitting the garage with a cold engine that can answer these 2 questions?

    thanks!
     
  17. Qksilver

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    I'll go check for you... give me minute.
     
  18. Glassman

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    I don't know anything about a 550 but common sense would tell me there should be some oil on the stick cold, and there sure as hell should be coolant in the expansion tank.
     
  19. Qksilver

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    Oil: 1/4 inch below min.

    Coolant: Visible in the neck of the container.




    We had all fluids changed in January. Hope that helps!



    Joe
     
  20. No Doubt

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    Dry sumps are funny. When the engine is cold/off, you may or may not see any oil on the dipstick...that's just not how you check the oil on such cars (gotta have the engine running and temp hot).

    However, that's the oil.

    You should *always* see 3/4 full coolant in your coolant tank...and you check your cooolant when the engine is cold, never when hot.

    Opposites.
     
  21. Glassman

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    Who ever did the coolant flush should be hi-tailing it over to your house to make sure he didn't just wipe out a car. I'd be freeking screaming.
     
  22. No Doubt

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    No oil, no coolant, and cat slow down lights on. Coolant temp in the red = warped aluminum heads on a 12 cyl = blown head gasket (which could easily leak coolant out of the cooling system).

    This car's got a story. i'd love to hear it.
     
  23. JazzyO

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    Hmmm. You learn something everyday. I suppose the catylitic converter can act as a petrol trap (why do you Americans call it "raw gas"? It's not gas! :D), which could then ignite, that makes sense. You would need a serious issue to cause that, though, and I can't imagine the engine would sound very smooth whilst running at that time.


    Onno
     
  24. judge4re

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    You would be surprised how smooth a V12 sounds running on only 10 cylinders...
     
  25. f355 Nashville

    f355 Nashville Karting

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    added a thing of coolant and now it runs fine! the oil was not low it was between min and max when i checked with the engine warmed up. (now its a bit high since i added a quart.) tomorrow i ll take it to the shop and get it looked over. i just wanted to drive it. i hate getting a toy and not be able to play with it immediatly (its the child in me i guess) but i have to say ... i think i like my old 355 better.. its seems alot more sporty than the 550 also the 550 feels huge like a 8 series bmw from the 90s.. so no more overheating but the checkengine and slow down light still comes on. at least i can drive it to the shop instead of getting it towed.

    thanks guys for all the input.
     

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