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20" or 19" wheels on 360 + lowering

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  1. masar

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    #1 masar, Sep 7, 2007
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    Hello guys, i want to change original wheels on my 360 for 20" or 19" wheels. I would prefer wide 12"x20" for rear with something like 325/25/20 which makes same size as original 275/40/18 and 9"x19" with 235/35/19 for front corespondig with original size 215/45/18. These tire sizes are also made by Pireli Zero and final size of the wheels should be same as original 18". However, anyone has experience? I am afraid that althought such sizes should look great, it will have negative impact on acceleration, overall speed,maybe handling?! I also do not want to do anything with fenders,etc.

    I want to also lower my car, what and how much you would recommend?

    Below the wheels i picked up. Looks like CS wheels but these are hand made,polished and 3pcs with very big lip.... :)
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  2. E60 M5

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    20" wheels and lowering on a 360 = rubbing!!!!!! With the 19" you have a better chance of avoiding the rubbing. For sure better handeling, but the rubbing sucks. My good friend lowered his 360 and this is based on his info as well as both my Fcar mechanics. They talked me out of lowering.


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  3. Loz997S

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    I don't have a 360 (yet) but my comments on lowering and widening tires. I have a 997S which is lowered; it looks much better and rides well as I got very high quality springs, it is a pain to drive in some places so be ready for inconvenience.

    I widened tires on an SL500 (actually looked very similar to the pics you posted) and it was a huge mistake, destroyed what handling the car had (SL500 handlng is an oxymoron I know), steering was awful and it tramlined.

    Remember that some of the best chasis engineers in the world designed the 360 for that specific width (and diameter actually) of wheel and tire so be ready to accept a degradation in handling. And of course bigger wheels will probably increase unspring weight (especially if you get those shiny things or anything by HRE which is what I had - anchors..) and that will impact handling, acceleration etc.

    Also check Rifleman posts; I believe the additional width on the back can possibly accelerate wear and tear on the drivetrain.
     
  4. fc2

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    While I didn't lower my 360, I did put 19" HREs on it. See my profile for the picture.
    If you lower the car and/or put bigger wheels on it, you should have your front fenders "rolled". This is a process where the metal lip of the fender (inside the fender well) is rolled up and back onto itself to eliminate the perfect place for a big tire to come in contact with the metal. When this happens, the metal loses every time and you get "fender pulls"... unsightly areas of bent metal which, in a worse-case scenario can deform the fender itself.

    Rolling the fender is cheap at a body shop... $300 or so and gives you considerable piece of mind.

    Good luck.

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  5. Razzer92

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    those would look sick on a lowerd 360
     
  6. gothspeed

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    The best look IMO I have seen on a 360 are 20" rears and 19" fronts :D....
     
  7. Tarek K.

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    I would not go with anything larger than 19". 20" wheels are just too risky and the ride will be too bumpy. Too many problems associated with 20" wheels.
     
  8. Modenafan

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    I agree completely. :)
     
  9. Loz997S

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    #9 Loz997S, Sep 7, 2007
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    My comments only apply if you are planning to drive the car. For the purposes of impressing women (or men if that works) then lower and put 20's on :)

    My 997S as an example, drives very well.
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  10. HREMarc

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    The 19" and 20" is our most popular fitment for this car, and those are the perfect tire options. As far as the fender rolling goes, IMO all Ferraris need fender rolling in the front with aftermarket wheels. The factory fenders are so inconsistent from car to car.




     
  11. AJTozzi

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    There is some great advice posted above. Be sure to have the fenders rolled professionally (i.e. NOT with a baseball bat and/or mallet), most definitly in the front. I have seen MANY 360s and 430s with cracked fenders due to improper tires/wheels/fender rolling. Don't ask me how I know but a 22" wheel on the rear of a F430 WILL crack the **** out of the rear quarter.

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  12. HREMarc

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  13. masar

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    Thanks for comments. I fully agree with opinion that Ferrari engineers designed the car for best performance/handling,etc. which should come with original 18" wheels. I am actually totaly amazed by driving/handling/acceleration of the car and i do not want to affect it. However the original 18" wheels do not fit my taste (but in terms of look only), i prefer bigger ones with wide polish lip. Thats the reason i am asking for your experience. I want to change it, but do not want to spend thousands for wheels with finaly negative affect on driving/handling...

    IMO if i consider original rear wheel with 275/45/18 and check calculation tools for alternative tires, it calculate that 325/25/20 is practicaly totally same in terms of size. Considering overal circumference of both wheels, its only 0,99% difference - circumference on 325/25/20 is by 21 mm (0,99%) shorter tham 275/45/18. If i would go with 19" to avoid problems with 20" for rear i can put 305/30/19 with difference of circumference 1,62% or 285/35/19 with difference 0,75%.

    For front i would never put 20" but 19" only. In case of original size 215/45/18 i can put 235/35/19 which make difference only 0,54%.

    So am i right if i consider that following calculations above and putting 325/25/20 (or 305/30/19) + 235/35/19 instead of current original 18" wheels will NOT have any affect on handling, etc. since the overal sizes of the new wheels should be same as originals?! In this case even lowering would not be neccessary since car would keep original height?! Is this correct? Of course i am aware that i will feel much more every hole or stone on road. Maybe even fender`s adjustment would not be neccessary? I think only width of new wheels should have some affect on car performance since 11"- 12" width (rear) and 8,5" - 9" width is more than 18" originals....
     
  14. Loz997S

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    Your calcs on rolling radius are correct (so the speedo will be fine) but don't forget you are increasing the width, contact patch and unsprung weight with bigger wider wheels and tires. Just something to bear in mind, I went up 20mm width on the Mercedes and wrecked what little steering feel there was..

    I totally agree on aesthetics, heck my Audi has bigger wheels than 18's :) just don't go too far..
     
  15. AJTozzi

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    Not telling you what to do but this is what I have used in REAL WORLD applications with ZERO problems. This appication has been put on dozens of 360s w/o any negative side effects. Do note that aggressive fender rolling in the front is necessary and easily done with the correct fender rolling tool.

    FRONT: 9" x 19" et28 w/ 255/30/19
    REAR: 12½" x 19" et51 355/25/19

    Any questions let me know.

    Anthony
     
  16. Brav

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    Guys, with all due respect, going with wider larger heavier 20" wheels will most lilely DECREASE performance.. I would say 305 rears, mayyybe 315 would be the widest necessary for the power and torque of this car, beyond that you will lose handeling, acceleration, braking, resonsiveness and will probably throw off cornering at the limit. Going super wide may increase traction in some cases, but may make things unpredictable at the limit with less weight per square inch. Also remember, tires vary widely among brand and model. Some 305s may have nearly the same contact patch as say a 295, and so on. With that said.. most people never drive ther Ferrari, let alone any other car, near the limit on the street. Putting heavy 20s on will not only increase unsprung weight, but put it further away from the axle increasing its effect. Getting the overal diameter close to stock is important, but doesnt mean the new tire/wheel package wont have an effect on performance, as mentioned above. increasing width should theoretically be done equally on either side of the centerline of the wheel, not pushed out to the widest point in the fender necessarily. This will have an effect on the suspension geometry and change the handeling characteristics. Again.. it may be that some drivers will not notice the difference and each car responds differently to these changes. I am not an expert, but do have some experience. It should just be known that there are a lot of variables and factors that go into handling/performance. Dont get me wrong, I love aggressive looks, but it makes sense to draw the line somewhere compromising performance with style. do your research on wheel weights!

    Good luck
     
  17. VK430gt

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    i know of a 360 locally that i cleaned during my internship and it has a novitech rosso body kit and h&r lowering springs, with 20's up front and 22's in the back. and yes he got his fenders rolled.
     
  18. PhilNotHill

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    Don't understand the lowering desire. for the perfrmance and looks gain the bottoming out problems are just not worth it. Have to be too careful now. Wish I had a front lift.

    Lower profile tires risk damaging the rims. 19" is max for me on a 360.
     
  19. rareguitar

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