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348 DIY Major Service - Is it possible for slightly mechanically inclined newb?

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  1. wingfeather

    wingfeather F1 Rookie

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    It's near time for a major. I'd love to do the work myself & really learn about the engine that serves me so well. BUT is it possible for a mediocre mechanically inclined person to do it themselves? I'm talking about valve clearance adjustments, timing belt, tensioner replacement... all the big issues associated with this interval.

    On other cars, I've taken apart economy engines & put them back together, replaced serpentine belts, spark plugs, manifolds, etc... but the engines were never worth more than $2,000. The possibility of ****ing up a $40,000 engine scares me a little.

    Here is my line of thinking so far:

    Belt change: Looks logical, with the help of tools like this - http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=144609&highlight=cam+belt+timing

    Valve clearance shims: I did this on an old Fiat & I don't expect the clearances to be critically off anyway.

    Seals: Again, looks logical.

    Timing: How exactly do you degree the cams? I can keep the current timing (with the tool above), but I'd rather it be 100% accurate.

    The parts would come from Ricambi, and I'll be buying a scissor lift to raise the body off the rear engine assembly. The cost will be about the same as paying a shop, but I can smile knowing the work was actually done, with my own hands, and I'll have a scissor lift for future maintenace.

    Thoughts?
     
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  3. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Yes you can!

    All it takes is patience, guidance, and willingness.

    Here is the "how to" for pulling the engine - http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102102
    cam timing explained here - http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=148604
     
  4. potxoli

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    I'm currently having my 30K done by a ferrari shop. In your shoes, I'd worry about what you would miss that trained people would find. What I mean is, that when the engine is pulled out, that is a great time to fix other things. If you just do the required items but don't know what else to look for, you might be putting a problem back into your car which will come down to haunt you down the road. Specifically, for me they found 3 things above and beyond regular 30K items:

    1- Big leakdown on 1 cylinder found by a leakdown test and due to a worn valve guide -- This would be hard for the DIYer to find/fix
    2- Wobbly belt pulley due to a bad bearing -- This one seems like a DIYer would have found, but then again, it depends on the degree of the wobble.
    3- worn, close to breaking chain tensioners which also were not updated to the latest parts from an earlier ferrari recall -- This one does not apply to spiders since they had the recalled parts from the factory, but is the type of thing a DIYer might completely overlook.

    I'd say go for it, but possibly get a leakdown done first before you start and maybe if you live close to any good ferrari tech, pay them a few hundred to swing by your garage and take a look once the engine is out to make sure you aren't missing anything.
     
  5. wingfeather

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    Thank you for the advice so far (and for not flaming me). I'm not trying to do this "on the cheap" as after purchasing the tools, it'll be about the same cost as dropping her off somewhere... but I'd rather take this opportunity to learn.

    Also, when my car buff friends (who now see me as a Poseur because my car is perfect right "out of the box") see those photos of me wrenching on the thing... they'll shut their buttholes up real quick :D

    Great advice!!! Not sure what I will do, but my current direction is DIY. I might miss something, but then again with some of these horror stories about people paying for service that doesn't actually get done (!!!) I would at least know that the belt is new. Thanks for pointing out the pulley bearing situation. I wouldn't have checked, since the tool puts pressure against the pulleys so you can't inspect them for play - unless you don't use the tool, which I think would lose your cam timing entirely.
     
  6. gothspeed

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    Your friends are right... "if" you never do any maintenence on it......... I have actually met a guy at a party who "bragged" about never looking under the hood of a car.....:rolleyes: ....... as if it were something that was beneath him ....:eek:.............. I could not lose respect for the guy any quicker ...... :(

    Just do your research..... read the owners handbook there is a chart on what to check for the different services.... buy some manuals and read read read until its understood.....then ask plenty of questions :)! Its not a cakewalk but not impossible either ;) :D!!
     
  7. ernie

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    Have no fear, the Brotherhood is here.

    Actually it will be cheaper than taking it to a shop, and that includes buying all the tools, on top of the parts needed. You have a great attitude, and I think you will do just fine.

    Take your time and don't rush. If you have ANY questions post them and the boys will be more than willing to help you out. Then put this site in your favorites. http://club348.com/technical/Tech/348.html It's LOADED with good reading material for you.
     
  8. wingfeather

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    IF could save $2,000 by not buying a scissor lift.

    But I can't figure out how you guys get a floor jack (typically can only raise the car 14") to raise the rear over the powertrain assembly.
     
  9. cscott67

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    Most of the guys who DIY have pulled the rear bumper first. That will give you additional clearance. The other thing you can do would be to drive the car up on ramps and then jack it up using a larger 4-5ton floor jack. Just suggestions, Scott
     
  10. bpu699

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    Yeah...but the scissor lift is just one of those "must have" how the heck did I get by without it tool. It makes working on cars fun, as opposed to a back breaking chore :). Shop around, I have seen the Bendpak for $1500 shipped. I frikken love mine :).

    As an aside, most of the folks on here seem to do it with jacks... I would love some info from folks that removed the engine with a bendpak. I plan to do that with the testarossa next year. The weight shift concerns me though...
     
  11. wingfeather

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    I thought about that, too, but a two post lift theoretically would have the same problem, right? Also, there won't be a dramatic weight shift because the drivetrain assembly will already be detached from the weight of the vehicle. You'd just be lifting the body up... I imagine you could hang weight from the rear to balance the car before lifting (if this is even a concern, or just my overactive mind).
     
  12. gothspeed

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    The two post lift has four lift points on the car and the foundation can handle that bit of weight bias in either direction :).
     
  13. ernie

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    That's EEEEEASY.

    I have an Arcan floor jack. The lift height for it is 21". However, you can still get the engine out with one that lifts 18" all you have to do is move the floor jack a little further towards the front wheels. Either than or get a couple of big flat blocks of wood and put then under the floor jacks to raise then up off of the ground as heigh as you need then.

    Seeeeeeeee........simple Simon.

    No sissor lift required.
     
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  15. ernie

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    Good grief, do I sound like a dork or what? That spelling is terrible.

    It should have read: Either THAT (not than), put THEM (not then), off the ground as HIGH (not heigh). I don't type as fast as I'm thinking. Man that was horrible.
     
  16. jetfixr

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    This is all I can say, PLEASE buy the proper lift and tools with the money you save.......I know others are thinking this too I just couldn't hold back anymore......
     
  17. testarossa717

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    If you decide to take on the task, don't forget to post some pics. The people on this forum is what makes F-chat great.
     
  18. angelis

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    I did an engine out with a friend of mine (who did most of the work :D).

    It can be done by a competent mechanic, but will take longer and cost more than you originally thought.

    Here's a thread of what happened to mine.

    http://www.fgear.tv/forum/showthread.php?t=367
     
  19. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    He doesn't need a lift. The only thing a lift will do is make it easier to get under the car. If he is looking for ease, then yeah sure, get a lift. But since he is looking to save money he doesn't need a lift. Which is why he asked about the lifting height.

    It really is not difficult to pull the engine with two floor jacks. LOTS of guys have done it, me being one of them.
     
  20. jetfixr

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    +1000
     
  21. rivee

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    EGG-ZACTLY.

    I did mine over a year ago with two floor jacks. No problemo.

    Just take your time when you're doing the service work, and don't get distracted by wife, kids, nieghbors, etc.
     

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