The official replica/re-creation thread

your rightm you dont have to own a ferrari to play boy racer - but if its been someones dream for 40 yrs to own a pontoon tr who are we to say no if an opportunity like this comes along

 

But he won't own a pontoon TR.
Pete

 

Not enough Vintage feel. I'd go with a Bug Eyed Sprite, Lotus Elan, TR 3, MGB, ALfa spyder, FIAT 124 Spyder, AC Spyder, XKE. All are much worse cars but they do have a lot more je ne c'est quois and you'll never loose $ on one from this point onwards. Lets also be honest you can't bolt a ***** magnet to a Miata.

 

i am being spared here because my car wasn't made by sacrificing another car, but rather sacrifcing talents from the period. having said that, i have no delusions about what i have and it is a blast to drive. i have never tried to pass off my car for something other than what it is (although the kitcar questions come up based off off of cobra kitcars more often than i would have thought).

to be honest, most people who see one of my REAL 246 dino's have no idea what it is and think it is some type of corvette copy. i know, don't laugh to hard, but try to drive a dino without being asked, it is hard to avoid - afterall, they mad ethat car after the corvette stingray, right?

anyone who knows anything about ferrari's (forgetting the know it alls that have a recent model and KNOW they know that their's is the best model ever made), will be interested and ask questions. if you try to bs them, they will call you on it or at least know you are full of it.

like i said before, i don't think that that many cars are currently being sacrificed. what is out there as replica's are out there from years of past rational, not current. sure there is the special case, but what we have is what we have. anyone that thinks that someone is oing to buy a "replica" and restore it to it's original factory spec is nut's. unless someone wants to spend HUGE $, it makes no sense. this is made even worse by the blue-chip cars that aren't carrying there original "as delivered by the factory bodies", after all these cars have been rebodied along the way, but yet we consider them to be pristine and original. that makes no sense either.

 

We refer to vintage Ferraris as "just a car" the way Van Gogh's neighbors referred to his work as "just paintings". A Chevy is just a car.

Even a "used-up piece of junk" GTE is worth bringing back to life-- not today perhaps, but certainly in the future. Isn't it shortsighted and ignorant to chop a GTE based on its today's worth?

 

Tom S sold 3 last year to the replica market ...

Pete

 

ohw come on! When was this about the evolvement of the human race? It is about what you can financially afford and what you can´t financially afford. People who can´t financially afford a pontoon fendered TR should accept that and not fool themselves with a fake.

 

They not only fool themselves but very often try to fool others as well! And THAT is the REAL problem.
Marcel Massini

 

Not bad replica but the nose seems strange! IF I had to choose spending 325K on this I'll rather get a personalised 430 Scuderia .Fun without end!

Although Classics are my passion ,Classics means difficult to find parts and regular service and maintaince.

325k could mean owning a testarossa,328,355,360 here in Italy.I'll rather 4 real than 1 fake!

 

use a hand saw!

 

What is REAL about that problem?

They won't fool the experts like you. They might fool some bystanders and gawkers (as Rob puts it). So what is the harm done? What is so REAL about that problem?

World hunger, deseases, crime, war, terrorism etc are REAL problems. Reality check anyone please?

 

Not wishing to prolong this discussion (or get shot down in flames), but ….

Well said, Andreas !!

I will admit that with regard to P4 replica owners, there is a certain amount of truth to what Marcel wrote, in that there certainly exists a very small minority of P4 replica owners who make false statements about their cars, in an effort to impress or deceive. Some of them even try to convince me ! One such person, whose Dino V-6 powered Noble P4 is somehow registered as a Ferrari 330, sometimes forgets who he is talking to, and in conversation, slips into P4 b******t mode. The last time he did, I listened for about 5 minutes and then simply hung up on him. However such 'dreamers' are very much a minority.

Most owners are happy to use and show their cars for what they are – a homage to the glorious original. At the other end of the spectrum, there are also a few wealthy owners of 'hi-end' P4 replicas, such as the Norwood cars, who also own significant numbers of real Ferraris, who are absolutely paranoid about anyone uncovering the inclusion of a P4 replica in their collections. Which sometimes makes for some interesting 'detective work' on my part, as the model registrar. Marcel knows about two such persons. One of those owners, in anticipation of a visit from Ferrari Classiche, actually resorted to hanging his Norwood P4 on the wall as a 'sculpture'. Which to my mind is a very sad waste of such a car.

A few years back, I took my own Noble 'kitcar' P4 replica to the U.K. F.O.C. National Concours. It was very 'tongue in cheek', and I wasn’t sure what kind of reception I would get. As soon as I arrived, I started looking for signs for 'non-Ferrari' parking. Next thing I knew, I was being flagged towards the Ferrari parking, and then, thanks to the frantic arm-waving efforts of a couple of short-sighted marshals, I very nearly ended up in the Competition Cars display area. Highly embarrassing – but also very amusing - we all had a good laugh about it, and the car was generally well received.

I'm also pleased to add, that to the best of my knowledge, very few P4 replicas have been created at the expense of a real Ferrari. O.K., so a good few 'rotbox' 400GT's and 400i's have been relieved of their V-12 motors, and sent to the scrap-yard, but most other model 'donors': a couple of 330's and quite a few 348's,etc., have been insurance write-offs.

Me ? I know exactly what I’ve got. Hence my original choice of username.

 

Boy, am I glad that my computer's keyboard doesn't allow to write such big letters.........at least I have two screens and that helped.....

I almost couldn't stop laughing when I read about "hi-end replicas"...........

Andreas: You, as a Swiss, should know exactly what I was talking about when I mentioned real problems. Reality check? We talk about Ferrari replicas here, nothing else.

A fake is a fake is a fake is a fake.

Have a good one!

Marcel Massini

 

I almost fell off my chair ;o)

 

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=137079532&postcount=20 LOL !!!

 

In my opinion FULL DISCLOUSURE is very important and there is no question that Paul has always fully practised that. Over the years I have also come to realize that he is very expert on these cars and has come up with some very interesting information.

There is no question that some replica owners deceive both the public and themselves. There is also no question that some owners of "real" cars deceive both the public and themselves as well.

 

Well, Paul, as you know, I try to stay away from all sorts of replicas and fakes. May be even your "P4 replica register" is faked?

Oh and btw, why does your P4 replica wear a Ferrari badge on the front? Or is that yellow badge faked as well?

Marcel Massini

 

Not to beat a dead horse to death, but I'm still failing to see the real problem:

Experts can spot a fake a mile away. So these cars won't make it to a prestigious show etc.

Average Joes like me might or might not spot the fake. I have falsely accused a 308 once of being a replica and got egg in my face. And I fell for a TR rebody thinking it was the real deal. So what?

Bystanders and gawkers might see you in the fake TR and give you an adoring look. Great, the poser got applause from a group whose praise is basically worthless because they don't know any better. So what?

Remaining on the subject I think the real problem are the butchered GTEs. Even as a friend of replicas, it does sadden me to hear that 3 GTEs are being butchered for replicas. Something is wrong with that picture. Particularly since we don't get to see any GTEs at our events. It's not like there are too many of them around to begin with.

 

No, Marcel - just very well researched.
(As you may remember from our discussions of this car: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=135705436&postcount=99, for example.)

Funny you should say that, Marcel, because the yellow enamel badge was a cheap 20 Quid 'Fake' one !! LOL !!
I never really did like it, and with the new vinyl numbers that I plan fitting soon (these are just test photos) ....
I intend to use a REAL FERRARI part instead: Part N° 95991602 - 'Sticker', which cost all of 15 PENCE each.
Yes .... and I do know they don't belong on the door roundels. (I was just swapping various sizes around).
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Like I told before there are more cars of which some experts THINK they are original, but are not or have at least new body, chassis, engine or whatsoever (wrong papers, switched papers (ecurie cars), no papers)
Some only had paperwork, an old spare chassis, spare engine and voila the car is reborn!
There will always be a question: how much should a car be original and what is original. There is no car from the sixties which has ALL of its parts as it left the factory. Like Piper he owns 2 P's with the same s/n. One with original chassis, the other the engine (?) What about it? NOTHING! They are racecars and he uses them. Like his 250LM, it is a hard used racecar, with many parts changed and altered. Even if he fits a new body or chassis, it is still the famous green LM.
Even the judges at famous concourses are sometimes wrong about cars.
Many people forget that we talk about cars or racecars and everyone has a different opinion about originality. Make up your own mind and do not always follow the expert ones.

just my 2 cents

 

I wonder if the world is really this small because I saw this car here in Orlando earlier today. I mean there can't be two of the same kind.

 

Hi Tom,

again, this thread is about destruction of real Fcars into horrible replicas and not authenticity of real cars.
May be someone should make another thread with title :

"How many real original Ferrari todays ??" or something else...