The official replica/re-creation thread

True 100 Point Cars absolutely without ANY stories sold to first owner directly from manufacturer original tires, original air in those tires? Next Villa d'Este. Save the date...

 

Hi Jim,

do you have a special surprise for us at Villa d'Este ??

 

be conservator.

I hope to see one day the 166MM #0052M there.

 

Jim said "true 100 point car" : for sure, it will not be 0052M shown at next Villa d'Este...

 

I did and I will be there with one...

 

OK. Wait and see..

 

This is time to make another thread :

"Which Fcar will Jim G. show at Villa d'Este ??"

Any clue ??

 

My lips are sealed...

 

100%? even through the last bolt? Never restored?
Interesting.

 

I can't wait to hear how the judges confirm the air is original! LOL

Ken

 

I received an email today from a fellow FChatter politely canvassing what the market might be for a TRC based on Alfa mechanicals in the Ferrari community. Unless I am wrong, I honestly replied that it would be about zero among Ferrari enthusiasts, but would apeal more to the "mainstream" kit car hobbyists, as such.

While it is difficult to dispassionately describe the appeal of Ferraris to enthusiasts, one cannot discount the heritage component of a genuine article. Even for me, a confirmed admirer of Ferraris primarily for their mechanical workmanship and elegance of the mechanical bits, the appeal of even my subdued Mondial 3.2 rolling out of the same doors in limited numbers with the all time greats such as prototypes, F1 and road cars has a definite appeal. As I once was taught, although sometimes flawed, "Class will tell".

 

I also insisted on a document that certified that the car had been stored in a room full of the same air at the same pressure as the tires so that the original air would not seep out at a molecular level.

 

it amazes me how we talk about all real, original cars looking correct and reproductions being so obvious.

for the most part, all of the older race cars have been rebodied based on what they are. these rebodies make the car look nice today, but yet we know they have been abused for racing purposes in the past.

yet, when someone sees a replica they denounce it from the get go as fake becuase it has the wrong lines or has the wrong ........

i have to believe it is true, that when an original car is rebodied, a body buck is created (just as in the old days). i also have to believe that in todays world, once that body buck has been used to rebody the original, it is also being used to some degree to recreate bodies of the same car on non-correct chassis'

the lord brockett swb that was bought by jon shirley was, after all, the real deal, right? hmmmm...

when it gets to older race cars, only the historian come into play. ferrari never really paid attention. but yet, i find it hard to believe that since we rebodied this real chassis on this buck, it is great. however, since we rebodied the other chassis on this same buck, the "it looks off kilter" stuff flies.

sure i know that many "replicas" have been created a way other than this, but a good number have come into existense knowing the hard work had been done.

i am certain i am not going to be duped by the average datsun owner with a "real gto", however, there are VERY few of us that can call bs on a properly done execution of a recreation.

without history, there would be a greater number of people being fooled. i am not endorsing tom-foolery, but we have to admit what is. there will always be the person advertising he got something for nonthing. the historians expose their lies. but the historians also have to admit that the lies get harder to expose everyday

 

Breaking up a real Ferrari to create a replica is like destroying a painting by a lesser-known Dutch Master to do a fake Rembrant. Building a fake Ferrari from parts is equivalent to painting a fake Rembrant. (you could afford to hang it on your wall and enjoy it, if well done.

Anyone who has reprints on the wall of the house can appreciate the difference.

Cheers
Warren



rmbrany yo

 

It is not a matter of belief. Just open your eyes and look at the pictures! Off course there are many sorts of rebodies and I must admit I don't fully understand why Allegretti makes such awful GTO-replica bodies and still when rebodying 3445GT (reputedly rebodied by Allegretti in 1982) they got it about right. OK, the door frame is still off-shape, but the roof line appears pretty OK.

Off course the use of an original chassis does not guarantee anything. Some of the "cheaper" Berlinettas have been restored with awful reconstruction bodies, but it is still true that even if some original cars have incorrect bodies, I've hardly ever seen a decent looking replica. I think it is $$$ that matters. If the restoration cost of an original car comes close to the sale price of a replica, it is hard to reach equal result - as simple as that.

One thing that I will never understand is why in some restoration processes original photographs are not used as reference. I know several cases where comparing restored car to old photographs reveal serious problems in 30 seconds. I would think that making it right would have taken the same amount of work...

 

Hey buddy, want a good deal on a quality built, replica vintage Ferrari that you can have some fun with?
No thanks. People would think that I'm a poser pretending to be something that I'm not.

Hey buddy, want to go out with a beautiful babe who looks just like Pamela Anderson and who you can have some fun with?
No thanks. People would think that I'm a poser pretending to be something that I'm not.

So our buddy lived happily ever after, reading his vintage Ferrari books and Playboy magazines, content in the knowledge that he was not a poser and people thought highly of him for refusing to accept anything that was not original and authentic.


Clint Eastwood in "Dirty Harry": "A man's got to know his limitations."

 

another "Fake" most likely owned by a wealthy person with low self esteem.

 

And speaking of rebodies, how about that totally rebodied 410 that Gooding sold last month. I mean, c'mon- someone just took a chassis and had it redone to look like the one-off it once was, and ends up winning his class at Pebble (which speaks volumes as to how THAT event is run). And someone buys it for mid-range 410 money.

Yeah, yeah - "its not the same thing". Well, how is it really so different?

Personally, I feel that rebodying a Ferrari chassis is well within the guidelines of what has been done to ferraris ever since they were first produced.

 

Has to be the P4/5 ... 100% original, still has the original air and Jim is the first owner

Pete

 

Careful snj5, do not discredit the heritage in the Alfa Romeo brand. Not that long ago Alfa Romeo had won more races than any other brand period!! And yes that Alfa Spider engine that he is planning to use is more directly related to race winning engines than many Ferrari engines (ie. Boxers, 308's, etc.). Think SZ's, TZ's and GTA's, etc.

Personally I think it is a good choice of mechanicals ... as we are not destroying a Ferrari for it (remember that is the main issue on this thread), and plenty of Alfa Spiders were made for a very long time AND also that engine is a pretty old design and thus almost period

Be a Ferrari snob if you want to , but don't laugh at the Alfa Romeo brand, there is only a very small number of Ferraris that come close to the 8c2900B and the GTA has a racing history that rivals a 62 GTO, AND the T33 actually won the World Sportscar Championship beating the equivalent Ferraris!, not to mention the very first F1 championship ... and many will argue that the T33 Stradale is the best looking 60's sportscar bar none, P4 Ferrari included. I personal like the T33/2 as that's the racing version ... but each to their own .
Pete
ps: I will admit that the current tin boxes are not doing the brand any good BUT they are still winning touring car races, etc.

 

Banging head against wall ... some will never understand PERIOD verus replica rebodies it seems

Pete

 

5575GT has also a wrong nose/shape of the fenders. One can only make a good body if a completely original non rebodied car still exists, but there are not many owners who supply their car to a coachworker.

 

That one was already there and it won in class. It's original tires after 4K hard miles including 800 on the track and 1000 at the Historic Targa Florio have been replaced and her exhaust tips have been changed so it can't be her. Some of her original paint is also missing as at 200 MPH on the banking the paint on the edge of the spoiler burnt off. I did save her original tires but I did let the original air go...

 

What happened after he said that? Didn't he shoot someone??