Do you want Alonso in a Ferrari in 2008

This is a rare time that I am on the fence about anything. I'm not really happy about Fernando's involvement in the whole espionage fiasco, and even more unhappy with how he did not come forward early on with his knowledge of the emails related to Stepney/Coughlan and how he tried to use them against Ron Dennis (although I do believe that Ron brought it on himself for not punishing or demoting Lewis for Lewis' violating team orders for qualifying). I think he would probably get more out of another team by being a clear #1 driver, but if he did go to Ferrari with the clear understanding that both drivers would be treated equally then I think Fernando would be okay with it, unlike the situation that he is in currently where Lewis is like Ron's love child and Ron won't let anything stand in the way of Lewis' success. As long as Fernando is on an equal footing with Kimi and they are treated equally, then they will both do very well. That would be far more exciting to watch with 2 Ferrari drivers really free to race than what we have now, with 2 Ferrari drivers who, during the course of the season have not appeared that enthusiastic about wanting to win the title, and 2 McLaren drivers that despise eachother because of all the internal political BS that is going on inside the team.

 

Does,nt sound like your sat on the fence to me.

 

I've heard this a few times now but I don't recall ever reading about it back then. I thought his contract was up at the end of 1995 and he was free to go anywhere. Do you have any links you could share that discuss the facts about that situation?

 

I don't think it will be that easy. Try convincing him he has the same equipment if Kimi is consistently faster. It would probably be the same as with Prost when Senna qualified a full second quicker. Prost's ego wouldn't allow him to accept he was slower so he blamed the team for not giving him equal equipment. With alonso's emotional temper I could easily see him doing the same.

I'd much rather see him at Renault next year. Especially since they are piling so many resources into the '08 car. It should be competetive. We could have a 3-way fight for the championship.

 

And who would have thought that Stepney chatting to a McLaren team member would lead to what it has? I wouldn't rule anything out especially where Luca and Ferrari is concerned. It seems to me the team is back to its Machiavellian ways. If they want Alonso they'll figure out a way to make it happen. Massa says he's not going anywhere but it's not up to him. If Luca wants it and Alonso wants it he's gone. I suspect Massa's just checking the life boats just in case.

 

What he's described is what I've heard/read in the past as well. If you have information to the contrary I'd love to read it.

 

What was said about MS is accurate, as both MS and Eddie Irvine spoke English with the team, and once it was announced that Rubens was going to replace Eddie, MS felt that the liguistic connection between Rubens and the team might put him at a disadvantage so that is when he took up Italian. It's not a matter of trying to discredit MS or Ferrari, but setting certain things straight that don't always jibe with commonly accepted beliefs.

 

Interesting..... any opinion or factual assertion that contradicts the greatness of Spoonface is just because some tabloid wanted to sell some papers. If you happen to come across that video, please share it with the rest of us here, as Youtube certainly did not have any such listing. Until then, I think I'll side with Autosport and F1 Racing.

 

actually, back in 2000, i remember reading somewhere, Michael mentioned his next goal was to learn and master Italian, after winning his 1st title at Ferrari. i'll try to find the link somewhere. i think he started to learn Italian after his 1st world title with Ferrari.

 

You really like embarrassing yourself, don't you?

You are without question the single most uninformed individual on these boards. Give it up.

 

You are correct.

Some here are too busy holding up their Schumacher posters with one hand to bother doing any sort of research.

 

The entire discussion about Schumacher's Italian was raised by Tifosiron.

Not only can you not be bothered with doing a modicum of research on F1, apparently you are not even capable of reading the thread on which you are commenting.

 

I'm getting tired of you and your disbelief in actual facts.

You have been warned.

 

Warned for what? How could you possibly know whether or not what he said in his post is true or not? Is the title of moderator giving you illusions of grandeur? This is a fun chat site that means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of life...get a grip man...

 

Warned for discrediting actual facts. It is as if I'd post on here something like MS never won a single race. It is nonsense and the only point is to stir the pot unnecessarily, which is trolling. Something you're quite familiar with.

Anybody is entitled to his/her opinion and different opinions is what drive a chat forum. But you can't dispute facts.

 

Well, you kept defending Raikko even when he was far behind Massa.

 

Which is an opinion. Opinions can be right or wrong. Facts are facts.

You can say that you think Massa is the better driver than Kimi, but you can't say that Massa has currently more points than Kimi.

 

Just joking, man...

Anyway, this forum has become a bit... violent lately, hasn´t it?

 

But, your warning was posted quoting his post about a tabloid wanting to sell more papers or magazines and were only looking for a story... I would dare say is the truth...I believe that is what tabloids are in the business to do. Further, I assure you that what man sees as facts are not absolutes and are always in a state of flux . The world was flat was once considered a fact...

 

Sadly it has. But I can't blame folks for that when the stakes are so high given the current politics in F1.

I think when we look back at 2007 in 5 or 10 years, we will realize what an unusual year it was with Stepneygate and all. All the things that went down are IMHO unprecedented and of big importance.

When I look back at the nineties, most of it is a blur, but 94 sticks out. Not just because of Senna, but for all the FIA scandals, the cheating, the manipulation by the FIA etc. I think 2007 has those attributes by now as well and I'm sure somebody somewhere will write a book about it.

 

Yes and yes.

I might have not picked the best example in my quote, but 355 has done this in the past (as recent as yesterday): Dispute something that is generally accepted as fact. Not just by some folks, but by the general public and the media. Of course we could all be wrong and only 355 sees the world as it is, but that's somewhat hard to believe (I know I quoted Galileo recently for being a lone voice, but still).

Honestly I have no illusions of grandeur as a mod. More often I take a back seat and let things play out and have been critiziced for that. But I can't stand when well known stories are suddenly put in question just because they don't suit a line of arguing. I'm a strong believer in history because I think that is what we are all made of. If we toss that out the window, then there is nothing left to discuss.

 

Because NONE of you have taken the time to do it and because several of you continue to unnecessarily insult each other making the discussion of Formula 1 significantly less enjoyable than it otherwise might be.....

MS began learning Italian in 1999/2000. Yes, it is when Rubens joined the team. That MAY or MAY NOT have been the reason MS chose to learn the language. He made several other changes at this time including a new trainer, a new masseur and a new chief mechanic. It is clear that MS always sought to have an advantage in fitness and certainly communication with his immediate team. The fact that he did this is a credit to him, not something to be criticized as a weakness or fear of Rubens.

As for the sniping, name calling and other anti-social behavior, give it a rest. Andreas allows much more leeway than other moderators, but that doesn't mean that you should turn these pages into a personal insult fest.

http://www.atlasf1.com/2000/spn/ludvigsen.html