The official replica/re-creation thread

I think that now you ARE starting to get it.

It is not that I am proud of it. Please decist with the attacks.


It is that it IS a RIGHT.


Like it or not.


Anyone not get it? Read this over and over. IT IS A RIGHT

 

OK : so let the owners of the 300 or 400 remaining 250 GT 2+2 turn its all into replicas if this is what you want.
BTW : do you know the difference between right and duty ?? Do you understand what means "preservation" ??

 

Bryan, whilst its nice that ppl would want to restore a wreck etc the likely truth is that it would be somehwat more difficult to find someone willing to stumnp up the cash to buy said wreck, especially if it wasnt local (or even in a different country)


i would hate to see a good or easily fixed car cut up and made into a gto (or other high end fcar)
but i really cannot see a problem when its done to a wrecked car.

i personally would love a gto or 250tr (who wouldnt) but the reality is im never going to have the £££ to do so.
i really wouldnt want a kit car either, i would however love a nut and bolt recreation with all the right bits, and if said recreation has a real ferrari chassis plate (hopefully from a wrecked car, or from a time when these cars were unloved/plentiful) then its even better - because regardless of whether or not the purists like it, it is legally a ferrari (albeit in a different form to when new)

 

I'd say that you are the one not getting it. I do not think I saw any serious post in the last 200+ that stated that there is or should be a law prohibiting someone from cutting up a vintage Ferrari inot a replica. the debate is over why people would do such a thing and wouldn't it be nice if they didn't - most of the debate centers on the economics and the non-economic incentives driving the practice.

What you are saying is that we may not bemoan/attack/be against those who cut up vintage Ferrari 2+2s into replicas because that is their right?? Last time I checked, I DO have that right under that pesky First Amendment. . . . . Sounds like its time to move this one into P&R.

 

The current keepers of all Ferraris (whether it be a lowly 250 GT 2+2 or a 250 GTO) have a duty to preserve these cars for future generations.
The keepers are merely custodians.

 

believe me, Nick, I hear and understand everything you are saying. I am afraid that the day is coming, and I don't think the day is too many years away, where we will have picked off all the low-lying fruit in the 2+2s and will be left with precious few. It blows my mind that PF Coupes are still occassionally tunred into replicas - Ferrari only made 353 of these great cars!

I've gotten into this debate this morning against my better judgment - haven'y had my sat morning coffee yet - I ususally let my aussie friend Pete do the heavy lifting on this topic. My apology in advance to anyone I may have ofended w/ my tone this morning, especially Stan/Open Roads. Few topics get me revved like the replica phenomena.

I go back to my original premise - ths issue would be solved if Classiche got into the business of making replicas of the great sports racers if they were badged accordingly. The guys wanting the thrill of those cars would have it for the fraction of the cost of the originals and would have an honest-to-god Ferrari v-12; and the vintage Ferrari guys wouldn't be kept awake at night w/ dreams of Shaughnessy showing up at their door w/ the cutting torch.

 

That is simply not true. I have met many replica owners but not one of them has refused to open the hood or show the serial number. As I said from all the folks I've met so far with replicas (about 50), just one was an idiot enough to claim his was real.

Afar from the oddball exception, replicas are not about pulling the wool over others eyes. They're built for the experience and to look at them because the opportunities to see the real deal are dwindling.

 

id hate to see it too.
with the exception being a car heavily damaged that simply wont get restored.
one way to look at it is this - its better to have a rebodied car (with obvious chassis adjustments) than a scrapped car never to be seen again.

one thing i guesss is that the rarer the "lesser" 250 and 330's become the more they should be worth
and this in turn should hopefully mean that restoration is more likely to happen

bryan everyones entitled to an opinion and you most certainly shouldnt have offended anyone with what you said - unless that perosn has extremely thin skin, in which case tough sh*t on them

tbh no ones right or wrong in this debate.
i guess i can see both sides of the arguement - in that as said before i dont condone anyone cutting up a good car or a lightly damaged one - but i do see that the bottom line is that its up to the guy (or gal) who owns it.
in the same light as i said earlier in this post - i do feel a heavily damaged car is better to be used as a basis for a recreation rather than lost forever (in any form)

 

He's a poser. The car's a poser. The car is trying to be something it isn't. The car doesn't know what it is. The car never wanted to be that. etc. etc.

How do you know what the car wanted to be? How do you know that he wasn't just misunderstood. Maybe he wanted to be a TR the whole time.


Now excuse me. I have a 330 and a GTE I'm sawing on today.
























































Oh relax! I'm just kidding.


I'm a preservationist like a lot of us here are.


The level of attacks just gets a little much around here sometimes.






Now, honestly, I'm going to take a ride. It's convertible weather out.

Best to all, but especially the preservationists,

Stan

 

OK, what about this one:
http://www.anamera.com/en/detail/car/12755/index.html?no_cache=1&tx_anamerashowroom_pi1%5Bpointer%5D=-3&tx_anamerashowroom_pi1%5BFILTER%5D%5Bmake%5D=5&tx_anamerashowroom_pi1%5BFILTER%5D%5Bmodel%5D=1548&tx_anamerashowroom_pi1%5BMODE%5D=make&tx_anamerashowroom_pi1%5BRET%5D=144

I think the asking price is 600K



Or this one:

http://www.anamera.com/en/detail/car/2365/index.html?no_cache=1&tx_anamerashowroom_pi1%5Bpointer%5D=-1&tx_anamerashowroom_pi1%5BFILTER%5D%5Bmake%5D=5&tx_anamerashowroom_pi1%5BFILTER%5D%5Bmodel%5D=408&tx_anamerashowroom_pi1%5BRET%5D=144&tx_anamerashowroom_pi1%5BMODE%5D=make

The point of all of this, is twofold, its not just 2+2s that have been converted AND maybe since they have ALREADY been done, is anybody suggesting that they should be returned to original form? While I don't think we need to be cutting up vintage cars to make replicas, I see no problem in enjoying those that have ALREADY been converted.

 

The problem with that argument is the same as pertaining to banned materials from animals (ivory tusks, fur coats etc): Yes, there is no point in not enjoying what has already been created, but if you buy it, you create demand to build another one, destroy another vintage car or slaughter another elephant/tiger etc.

As I said, I like replicas, but butchering up real and roadworthy Ferraris is not something I would do. Put a fibre glass body on a modern racing tub and throw in a modern Ferrari engine. You get the experience and performance and do no harm to vintage cars.

 

I considered that very phenomenon as I wrote the post. It is not completely invalid. But all things considered, IF I had excess money, I would be tempted to buy one of these reproductions/conversions/rebodies or fakes if you desire...It is the look and that is made from all Ferrari components that give it appeal.

Here is a link to a car that bears a decent resmblence to a Maserati A6GCS but has no Maseratti components...if somebody was doing something similar in vintage Ferraris fitted with modern Ferrari enginges I imagine I would just as happy.

http://www.olympus.net/barchetta/

 

Just want to say I'm now the owner of this 365 California spyder s/n 9889 :

http://www.blackhawkcollection.com/index.cfm?key=1207&action=details&tab=inventory

Any advice to turn it into 250 TR replica ?? OK, some of you will say it's a shame but no real 250 TR is available...

...and sorry, but as the new owner, I have the right to do that...

 

if true (unlikely) then congrats

yes, dont do it - LOL

if your the owner then yes indeed you do.
but then your being facetious as this isnt the same as using a tired/crashed 250 gte

 

ala Aston Martin DB4 GT Zagato Sanction II

not a bad idea

 

Sorry, but for me, there is no difference in turning a 250 GT 2+2 into a replica or a 365 California ...

Save the old Ferrari !!!

 

then your an idiot

























or more likely being deliberately obtuse

 

Both I think...

 

... if you agree that being an idiot is loving Ferrari...

 

all im saying is that you cannot compare using an immaculate example of 1 of 14 with using a tired/wrecked example of either 1 of 950 odd (250 gt/e) or 1 of 1100 odd (330 gt)

 

Just finished reading the entire thread. I've always wanted a p4. Watched them in my youth, was awestruct by them, the noise they made, their ability to get around the track. I'll probably never be able to afford a real one. However, I might be able to afford a decent replica. I might just buy one, at some point in time. And if I do, it's because I always wanted one, and this is the best that I can afford. A lot of the "righteous" protesters don't seem to get that point of view, rather they are too hung up on their own perspective as to why they think it's wrong. My comment is that they are looking through their own perceptions, and missing the point.

Art

 

Please, give me the s/n of all the 950 remaining 250 GT 2+2 !!

I'm sorry but it would be around 400 -may be 500 - still in this world which makes the 250 GT 2+2 as rare as a 275 GTB or may be a 250 GT/L...

 

your missing the point - its still not 1 of 14 (or less)



look i havent seen a single person condoning taking a good example of a "lesser" 250 or 330 and converting it into another model.
however if you want your "dream car" and its already converted, or you know of a wrecked example that would otherwise end up being broken up then is it such a crime ?

 

Of course, it would not be a crime in this case as the damage is already done but each year, you can see new replicas on good Ferraris and that will never end...

 

+1

Sadly, though, it ain't gonna happen.

Dale