What should Ferrari's penalty be?

got a linky poo ??

 

No penalty, some of you just have sour grapes cause Mclaren won't get the WCC. Ferrari did not receive the e-mail until lap 2 of the race. WTF do you want them to do? Had Ferrari received the e-mail they would've started with the extreme wets, and probably won the thing, so stop *****ing as the stewards just handed LH the WDC on a silver platter. Just drop this. No point in crying over spilled milked. Race is over, Ferrari got screwed, LH is champion... next season please!

 

You know? My father made up a title for people like you years ago. Wooden philosophers.
And by the way you should be in the cooler for 24 hours for personal insult, doc or not, if you are such of big fan of following the rules.

 

+100

 

Yes well it's also possible that a meteorite may fall out of the sky and hit Hamilton on the head and then richochet to Alonso, I guess but I didnt include that either. Being a good statistician is about reasonable and likely outcomes. Based on Ferraris performance to date and McLarens performance to date, it's absurd to think they should base their entire WDC hope on a dual-failure for both McLarens. It's so absurd that no team would do it - and they didn't. So if you want to consider "all" possibilities then feel free. But meanwhile people who have a more objective outlook are doing things to try to enable Ferrari to win - things other than basing their WDC hopes on double-DNF's for the competition.

Unlike me? I think if you review my posts in this forum they are pretty unbiased. I don't think you will find a ton of support from the respected members to state that I lie because I am so biased. But nice cheap shots... I always thought you seemed like a good guy and I'm pretty shocked that you would attack me over this issue. Whatever - I'd rather know your true colors anyway.

Duck and weave. Too bad I won't let you off that easy. YOU said I was wrong when I stated that Ferrari were claiming the information did not reach Ferrari in the "official" manner. YOU said I didnt know what I was talking about. *I* posted the transcript from Ferraris press conference where they said the SAME thing I was saying. Then YOU come back with "you dont really know". Sorry, YOU were WRONG. YOU do NOT know what YOU are talking about. YOU are guilty of what you accused me of. At least man up and admit it rather than this petty BS of "well you dont really know" blah blah blah.

 

+1 McLaren supporters are amazing; they chastise the tifosi for jumping to conclusions on the Stepneygate matter yet are calling for Ferrari to be penalized for not starting on extreme wets before all the facts are in. Below is the FIA link on this matter.

http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Releases/FIA_Sport/2007/September/300907-01.html

FIA acknowledged that it should have received a confirmation from Ferrari that it received the email.......

 

I love the disclaimer on the bottom.

 

You accuse me of not knowing what goes on but do you even keep up with F1? As for whether McLaren submitted the info to the FIA, when I say "I believe" it doesn't mean "I am pulling out my ass" it means "from what I have read and looked into". But allow me to drop the bomb on this silly argument. McLaren SAID in their statement that they notified the FIA that they were using a new gearbox. They said (paraphrasing) "here's what we changed, its not that much different, just lighter, just letting you know". Then they ran it. The FIA told them their engineers felt it warranted a new crash test. McLaren then decided NOT to use it for the following race, and it was crash tested, and it passed OK. Since the FIA determined it should have been tested, but wasn't, they pulled McLarens points for that race and fined them $50k. So, bottom line a team ran something that was legal, but not legal at that time, and their 'excuse' is the FIA didn't tell them in time. How is that any kind of distortion? THATS WHAT HAPPENED. And how is that a "weak" comparison to the Ferrari situation? Unless you just hate McLaren and don't want to see any similarity. Again, I am reading what goes on - are you? You sure make a lot of grand accusations and characterize other peoples comments and are WRONG quite often in your positions.

Yeah, umm, maybe because thats what they said.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh boy thats comedy.

I am saying the Ferrari situation is in some ways comparable to the McLaren one, and they both should probably be penalized. You are saying the McLaren one was really bad and they deserved all they got, but the Ferrari one is just innocent little Ferrari being picked on. Unbiased and open minded? HAHAHAHAHA

Like when I read an article and it says 'Bob said XYZ' and I say here "as far as I know Bob said XYZ". You jump in with "What do you know? You dont know squat. You dont know anything. You make stuff up. You lie. You distort truth. You dont know anything about this". Then I post a direct quote of where Bob said XYZ then you just stop adressing the point. And if you intend to be taken seriously on here or if you want people to consider your posts intelligently, then how you are perceived IS important. If you want to be Mr. "attack all Non-Ferrari kool-aid drinkers" - get in line, that job's taken and then some.

Because I never said people who dont agree dont know anything about F1, I didn't say they were making stuff up, I didn't say they were misinformed and lying to try to make a point. You did say all of those things. So when you resort to trying to attack and belittle, I'll just assume you have nothing else to debate with and you're Mr. Tantrum behind the computer screen.

Right - you said before I'm the one who doesnt know anything about F1 and doesnt understand it at all.

From the FIA's press release

"At a meeting of the Formula One Sporting Working Group held in Monaco on 7th December 2006, all teams agreed to an electronic distribution system to ensure that all competitors received communications simultaneously, with no time advantage for a team by virtue of their location in the pit lane. This system has been used throughout the current championship year."

Stuff that crow in DEEEEEP

 

That's three for us 355. Ross Brawn's absece at Ferrari is like a gaping hole of proficiency and attention to detail that is sorely missed. Its not that Brawn could do things others were incapable of, but he damn well made sure that crap like this did NOT happen.

 

I didnt see that.

You mean temporarily going side by side, etc? I would venture a guess that it's Alonso's way of applying pressure, and provided it wasn't a "pass" (i.e. the driver attempts to hold the position) then I dont think they did anything wrong.

Besides, Lewis was on pole - it was impossible for him to illegally pass anyone, except the safety car, which he did not do. So even if the above applied to Alonso, then feel free to give him a drive-through

 

I swear, Mcl's luck is approaching intelligent design levels

 

Hey guys, put it to rest already, Ah?
There is an official FIA statement out already which makes your arguing pointless. The real question is who made sure Ferrari not to receive the e-mail. Actually the only question at this point I have is
IS IT MARCH 2008 YET?

 

LOL the best defense is a good offense.

...and Massa comes out swinging.

Even if they were not informed, wasnt it a team blunder that had them on intermediates? In other words, left to their own devices, they chose intermediates. How could Massa have any anger towards the FIA? Non sequitor.

 

Massa admitted they made a mistake and even went as far as to say that the same mistake could have been made even if Ross Brown was running the show. Aside from this, it doesn't make it any more acceptable that since the rules say that ALL teams should receive the info at the same time, Ferrari did not, which FIA has confirmed.
In MY personal opinion who ever took the decision at Ferrari apparently had a brain fart at the same time and should be canned as this may very well cost them the WDC.

 

I believe that to have an honest opinion of a particular issue or event, a person should have payed attention and absorbed all the relevent information that is available. The fact someone would keep carping about Ferrari over Stepneygate and not know about the million pounds Stepney "allegedly" recieved, proves very simply they didnt read much of anything, but "cherry picked" to keep pounding theyre rediculous and uninformed garble. I read of it through several different sources that were hyperlinked right out of posts in this section in the various threads involving Stepney, Coughlan and the rest. I know it sucks to read 100 pages of discussion, but if its not worth taking the time to read and absorb everything, stop wasting bandwidth with uninformed opinions. I wont take the time to go back and find it for anyone, do it yourself. Besides, if you really hate Ferrari as much as it appears some of you do, you'll just find some other excuse to blather your half truths.

 

like the missing wheel fro Irvine ???

**** happens in the heat of the moment, always has always will, seen all the teams screw up so what's the big deal here ??!!

it could have actually worked out well if the rain had kept the SC out long enough for the rest of the field to have to go in for fuel ... THEnall hell would have broken loose in F1 with "poor lil LH" getting screwed over by the big bad FIA and the Ferrari wolves .... boo hoo

 

Soooo....... if someone gives me 10 lbs. of cocaine, it's OK because I didn't go looking for it ?

 

Well, this exactly what some of us have been saying. Lets wait and see where the f-up is. We waited and guess what? FIA confirmed that Ferrari did not receive the email. I am not really good with computers, but know that there is a way of checking what happened and when. I am sure that in the next few days we are going to hear more details, or not. It doesn't really matter anymore. Water under the bridge. Just like the Stepneygate. We can bi#@* and moan all we want but FIA has decided. They said they looked into it and they found out that Ferrari really did not receive the e-mail on time. Period. I am sure that after this season McCheaters team will look over Ferrari with a microscope and the minute they make one wrong move Ron Denis would be >HA I GOTCHA!< So the fact that he still has not jumped on Ferrari's case speaks for itself.
Same thing about Stepneygate. The council decided. So and so, this is the penalty. Period. I think the drivers should be out of the season. Others think that McCheaters should have been left in. Some complain about the fine. The truth is that we can not do s#!t about it. So from my point of view the faster I forget about this whole season the better for me, therefore I don't see any point of people here calling eachother names and jumping on eachothers throats.
After all have just said I don't see any reason for obvious McCheater fans to participate in a Ferrari chat.

 

Ferrari were IDIOTS to go out in those conditions anyway with intermediate tires REGARDLESS of whether or a not "extreme wets only" rule was imposed.

I think it is ridiculous that Ferrari is actually complaining to the FIA about "supposedly" not getting an email about the rule... because they still would have been sliding around out there and been forced the pit and change putting them at the back of the pack anyway... because any other team that looked out the window and saw the weather would have been on extreme wets even WITHOUT the rule in the first place.

 

And they want to use mclunken/microsloth ECUs next year?

Or maybe it's that new "firewall".

I think Phil is mad, because if they'd gotten the email, it might have kept Ferrari from pooing the scrooch on tire choice.

 

That is why they got off the hook so easy.

 

Thanks pal. And just for the record: There are six mods in the racing section. So whether this is a good or bad forum isn't really down to me alone. For better or worse.

 

Keep insulting us about our lack of reading skills.

I'll keep asking you for a single source.

BusinessF1 had the most comprehensive write up about the case with pretty much any detail one can imagine uncovered and not a single word about the 1 mio payment you're referring to.

I'm not saying that didn't happen, but I haven't seen it.

Post a source and I'll shut up.