I just looked at all of posts that Claus has submitted in this thread. At no point has he stated, or even hinted, that the car in question belongs to him - it's a "barn find", that's all. If the car belongs to Claus, he is free to post a picture of the serial number, or not, if he wants to. If the car belongs to someone else, he should NOT post a picture of the serial number without the permission of the owner. If I was interested in purchasing the car, I would insist on seeing all of the documentation, of course. But Claus isn't trying to sell the car through this thread, so why pester him about it in this thread?
Thanks for clarification. I am not a Bizzarrini expert like some of you guys appeared to be, but I did know that. Anyway here is another black, a Bizzarrini this time. Monterey 2000. Philippe www.lamborghinimiura.com Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
He states that it is IA30248, shows pictures of a car, shows a registration paper, but no proof that the car in the pictures is IA30248 the way to help validate the car is to show proper pictures of the VIN. Your worried that the owner wouldn't want a picture of the VIN shown, heck he posted the registration slip! One could look at all these posting and think OK it's IA30248 or one could look at the info and question the true ID of the car without this info. Why would people plant/post this info ???????? I don't think I need to go into details why people do these type of things. You believe what you want to believe, I just like to see a little proof. As Ekos1 was smart enough to figure out there is a lot of mis information being passed off and it's a stinking shame because there isn't a buyer of Bizzarrini's that can't wonder about the car they own, or are about to buy because of all the fraud. One day this car will sell to sombody else, don't you think it would be nice to know what car it really is, rather than leaving us believing it is IA30248?
In 2000 I think this car was owned by Mr. Dawson It had all of it's Chrome redone in black, it later sold to a new owner and went up for auction in Monterey, it was a no sale at 110K!
Double or more ?????? If I recall it was restored in the 90's, they had trouble finding parts for the IRS.
The pictures #163,# 172,#179, all show the same car, chassis # 283, the renumbered # 216. 1990 it belonged to Dawson. Changed ownership 2-3 times. Did not sell for $145k at R&M Auction, Monterey 2002. Was restored again in 2003. New owner since 2003 in the USA.
ECKOS1 you are correct it was 145 at RM maybe it was Dawson that offered it at 110 prior to Monterey . Is the car still black?
Thank you for your nice remarks, velocetwo. Someone was in Sweden a while ago and inspected this car. Also made some pictures including one with the chassis No. visible. All Bizz we have seen had the No stamped into the right upper section of the front cross member, close to the top of the shock absorber. #248 has the chassis # stamped into an upper alu body panel inside the engine compartment. What some people might have done in the past was: There was an original Bizzarrini, but unfortunately no documents. On the other hand there were original documents available but no car. An easy solution, give the Bizz the chassis No of these documents and you will have an original one with even a history dating back to the date of delivery. This Bizz is an original one, only the matching chassis # is questionable. Therefore you requested a proof, understandable. Same thing with the Bizz # 340 in picture # 8. The car itself is original.The chassis # is questionable.You ask why? Well, this car shows all the features of the Bizz version 1+2, that was built from chassis # 262 until #283. From # 284 on Bizzarrini were only built as a version 2 typ, showing different features which are easy to recognize. The mentioned Bizz shows chassis # 340. We are aware that the resonse we will receive might be the same as in # 72, i.e. that some people from the ISO/Bizzarrini Club are badmouthing good cars. Its better than if we would goodmouthing bad cars, wouldn't it?
For MANY years, somebody always ran a classified ad in Hemmings Motor News looking for Bizzarrini cars and parts. Does that person have a barn full of Bizzarrinis???
Ekos1 Thank you for the very interesting information. The other issue that can arise (this is only a possibility and has nothing to do with these cars) is that the chassis plate can be removed and then used on a car that is built from the ground up. Thus you have a car that looks like a Bizzarrini including a original VIN number! The math works, you buy a Bizz for 200K take a few parts off of it, cut the chassis number , make a new car for 100K using Iso Rivolta parts (the Iso and Bizzarrini used many common parts) and sell both for 400-500k nice profit. What do you think of image 113?
Honestly, I would have thought that the exotic car enthusiasts would not think very highly of the Bizzarrini because of its engine. Compared to exotic V12s by Ferrari and Lamborghini, the Bizzarrini was powered by a mere Chevrolet motor. The same basic engine as in a taxi cab!!! Were any of the racing Bizzarrinis fitted with the Rochester fuel injection units as came on the Corvettes of the 60s? Any photos under the hood of Rochester fuel injected Bizzarrinis?
Have never seen or heard of this car. Not all cars that look similar to a Bizzarrini are actually one. You brought up an interesting issue. Some Bizzarrinis in the past had been severely damaged or even destroyed. Only some parts, the chassis No and the documents were left. A brand new chassis was built, a new alu body made and the original chassis # reused. Together with the remaining parts and parts from an ISO Rivolta a complete car could be reassembled. This possibility has been done several times. But this has definitively nothing to do with these cars. These are original Bizzarrinis. I just raised the question if the chassis No really belong to these cars. As you mentioned before it is easy to check. Many parts have the VIN stamped in and also are written with crayon marker on the back of the interior. The earlier ISO Grifo had open head lights and a Chevi Corvette engine.The later ones had closed head lights and a Ford Cleveland engine. If someone would find a later Grifo model but with an early chassis # or the way around, it surely would raise the same questions.
No barn, he converted a former street car depot into a wounderful private car museum, with chandeliers, Persian carpets etc. There he displays all his car finds and he is living there happily ever after.
Bizzarrini was commisioned by Mr Rivolta to find the worlds best engine for thier (Iso Rivolta) company. Bizzarrini came back with the Chevrolet 327 . It was a solid engine, remember Bizzarrini had worked for Alfa Romeo, Ferrari's racing department, then at ATS, built the Ferrari bread van, designed the Lambo V12 in 6 months and then took the job at the Iso company, so he knew a thing or two about power plants. I think people like these cars today because they were way ahead of their time, built in low volume, still look better than most exotic cars and you don't have to worry about 30 thousand dollar valve jobs. They are race cars that can be driven on the street. I have not seen any cars with fuel injection, Bizzarrini designed his own fuel system, based on a cross-over manifold with 4 webers.This was later used by Moon in California. The engine also had a custom oil pan. He was hot rodding in Italy! Don't forget the 327 was used in fire trucks, pick-ups and ambulances too!
Yes, Bizzarrini designed an intake manifold which was built by Campagnolo. It is still available in Italy but very expensive. A great alternative is the cross-over manifold made by Pierce Manifolds in California. Also the oil pan, (capacity 10 liters) was designed by Bizzarrini and made by Campagnolo. Some original remakes have been made using up to date aluminium mixtures. Earlier Bizzarrinis used Campagnolo brakes made of Electron.They always caused problems, as Mr. Bizzarrini remembered, so he exchanged them later for Dunlop or Girling brakes.
So funny from a man using a pseudo and that nobody known , all Bizzarrinis experts known that the car show on photos is 248, and if he dont want to show a photo, that s his right.
Dump, and I feel sorry for you. Bizzarrini 340 is documented from 1968. Ask Chris Lakner who I believe is a better expert than you. Concerning your comments on 248, all real Bizzarrinis expert known that the car was imported in Sweden in the "70 and all owners are very well known and still alive. You post using a pseudo, and you claims to explain somethings from San Diego without knowning the car = VERY FUNNY. Your someone who inspected the car will have bought the car if he had the money for it !
Is is a total lack of any knowledge about Bizzarrinis that you are just able to give only such inappropriate answers? Whatever we placed in the Forum can be easily confirmed by any ISO and Bizzarrini expert. Professional and profound answers to the raised questions are what the readers of this forum expect.
eckos1 and velocetwo, thank you for the scholar discussion: now we can understand what is at stake with the posts here... This is indeed raising the level of this thread, instead of raising smoke curtains. "Mr. Harris", is it necessary to spoil the informative part of this thread with insults taking over the discussion on the matter? I reckon it's nice to watch pictures, but it's even better to know for sure what they actually represent.
