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Miura, the original supercar

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  1. Helio

    Helio Formula Junior

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    I don't think is even possible... although, in theory, it's more efficient aerodynamically, the enemy here is drag... with those rear, and front tires, and the wider bodywork, even with the power it produces, it will be good for more 10~15km/h than a 'normal' Miura...

    H.
     
  2. Helio

    Helio Formula Junior

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    There's only one way to find out... !! ;-) Do you think that RAF will let us use that airfield ??

    Still waiting for the 'behind-the-scenes' photos... these are the official ones...and they are very, very heavy !!

    H.
     
  3. Helio

    Helio Formula Junior

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    Ahhh ! ...but this car isn't from the 60's...or 70's !! Anyway, I did some rough calculations, it will top 289.8km/h@7300rpm in 117.56sec.! It will get there quicker than a standard S(288.2km/h@7800rpm in 147.02sec)... Shifting at 8000rpm it will be not far from this:
    0-100km/h:3.6 sec, in 1st gear - normal S will do 5.6sec(2nd gear)
    0-160km/h(100mph):8.2sec - S 11.7sec
    0-400m:11.9sec - S 13.5sec

    Sounds good ??

    H.
     
  4. Helio

    Helio Formula Junior

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    To make that my own words, I would drop the last one.... !!


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  5. 2NA

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    I'll bet at least a few of us are really confused now.
     
  6. Helio

    Helio Formula Junior

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    I meant the car speed, when the photo was made...

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  7. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Agreed. She looks fab Piet.

    Joe
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  8. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Helio, you posted "327,52 kmh!!!"

    I think youre the one that got it wrong :) The blurred image suggestive of speed and the exclamations (!!!) you put after those numbers would lead anyone reading your post to think that you wanted to convey the message that this car had done that speed that you posted.

    Great images though.

    Joe
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  9. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Really.

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  10. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Yes it all "sounds good" but do these numbers mean anything? Without definitive testing I dont think we should be throwing too many numbers all over the place and Im sure the car's owner would be the very first person to agree with that.

    For my part anyway, The Miura as a car, this one included, is not about numbers. Never has been and never will be.

    Joe
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  11. Helio

    Helio Formula Junior

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    Yes I did... I didn't get it wrong. You all assumed that it was the speed of the car... but, as I said, it's just the photo title or name...;-)

    H.
     
  12. Brangeta

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    Put it on a dyno, we'll figure this out despite the aerodynamics! :)
     
  13. Helio

    Helio Formula Junior

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    Agreed... it's not about numbers... they can mislead you into something else !! ;-) Even with testing, numbers tend to rationalize something that just can't be....rationalized !!! They're fun to play with, though...

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  14. Helio

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    On a dyno, you're taking out of the equation the 'biggest' problem... aerodynamic drag ! Not a real world solution... not even for power, let alone speed !


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  15. Chaos

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  16. Chaos

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    is it ?
    wider arches, wider tyres and those canards will not help it become more efficient aerodynamically.
    the canards may help stop lift, but that will be with the penalty of a higher Cd and frontal area
    the wheels and arches wont help on any front but again penalise the Cd and frontal area
     
  17. 505T

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    Joe your work has had a big hand in exposing me to the Miura and THAT is one of the images that really got my attention. IMO one of the best photoshoots ever.
     
  18. Helio

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    I said, in theory... aerodynamic efficiency doesn't mean lower Cd or lower frontal area. Look at race cars... the goal is efficiency !

    Aerodynamic efficiency means how, and where, the air flows on the body surface, avoiding high pressure areas... lift !

    If you're telling me that it will have more drag than a normal Miura, yes, most definitely...

    H.
     
  19. joe sackey

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  20. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    OK, thanks for clarifying that you were just messing with us and making us think that the car acheived this speed when in fact it did not. As I said, any normal person who saw your post would think this was what you were trying to say. Next time you title a photo with numerical detail, we will try not to take it so seriously.

    Joe
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  21. Chaos

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    :)

    and the other one?
     
  22. Chaos

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    gotta admit thats what i thought it implied too (not that im normal - LOL)
     
  23. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Helio, too many theories and proclamtions!

    "More efficient aerodynamically" ? Based on what testing? As I see the car, I think not.

    "Good for more 10 - 15 km/k than a 'normal' Miura" ? As I see the car's frontage, I think not.

    Look, Piet's car is simply awesome, and Im sure he will be the first to agree, lets leave it at that. None of these theories and proclamations will ever go anywhere or really mean anything.

    Joe
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  24. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Same car, one set of images is "washed out" so the car looks orange. Its actually red.

    Joe
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  25. wbaeumer

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    yezzzzzzz! Sounds VERY good! Its an awesome car and a good replacement of the original that is on the Big Circuit since many years! But....its not the original!

    Ciao!
    Walter
     

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