Crappy Replicas thread

... this thread is WAY off track. Its meant to be about crappy replicas. All this comparison of HP vs weight etc is a complete load of crap without also considering $.... and in any case you cant compare Italian and American engines - they are worlds apart in their objectives........... The argument is even more silly when some of the people involved apparently dont own either....so just leave it out and stick to the crappy replicas. Im starting to wonder if this should be renamed the "Crappy Off Topic Ramblings Thread"

 

Not a crappy replica IMO, but it's a replica (so it's remotely on topic). How do you guys feel about this one?

http://www.banks-europa.co.uk/cars/cars_type_62.htm

IMO, what banks-europa.co.uk are producing seems awesome, especially the type 62 (which makes me drool even more than the koenig 328 GTS did first time I saw it in a magazine)

 

Not so: It is meant to be about replicas. Crappy or otherwise because they don't have a place anywhere else in FChat. A discussion of engines fits perfectly fine in here as it is a good question: Should the replica be propelled by a generic engine like a Vette V8 or by what belonged into the original car or at least by an engine from that manufacturer?

 

Well, obviously a replica should attempt to replicate the car as much as possible, otherwise it's just a kitcar/bodykit.

I'd love a Stratos replica, and I'd want it to have a proper Dino V6 in it, failing that a Fiat/Alfa V6 would still be kind of acceptable, and at worst a Fiat/Lancia twin-cam - preferably a Volumex or turbo'd to give it reasonably decent power.

 

I agree with you on that, although it is rare to see the proper engine in even the most expensive replicas. But I would settle for a Ferrari V8 in a P4 replica.

There is a kitcar in the UK for a Stratos. It has engine mounts for a 308 engine. Not a bad idea IMHO. I was somewhat interested in that for a while until I read some of the reports about how the real Stratos handles...

 

I've heard the 308 engine/gbox is a bit too heavy and magnifies the pendulum effect of the handling. Considering this is the sort of car which is designed to go sideways a lot, balance is an important factor. The Fiat/Lancia twin-cams can nowadays be made to be quite drivable whilst putting out close to the original Stradale, not to mention they sound fantastic!

Here's some sound bites from my old 1608 TC:
---> http://www.lulu.tv/?p=11777

 

Awesome sound! The incar rainshot looks straight out of PGR4.

I'm sure your neighbours love you for those experiments...

PS: You're driving on the wrong side of the street.

 

Ken would love this.

 

I disagree, the Buick 215(now known as Rover V8) weighs in at about 350lb's ready to go. Heck of a lot lighter than BMW, AUDI, etc... The Chevy LS motors aren't too shabby in not brining a lot of weight in either.

HP/L is only important in a racing series that regulates engine size for a class, or, in a country that charges heavy tax on larger capacity to "save fuel"(Which it won't in most cases). A Euro spec 924 Turbo has a higher HP/L than a Porsche 944 Turbo, but which would you chose in a race?

 

Precisely.

Remember the Ferrari 208 GTB with 155 hp? Brimm, brimmm.

 

Now here's one worth considering...
Very affordable to build if you can still find the parts!
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Show me one thats beat italians huh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAyx3gwqXn0 vs F430

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nSenMmqKh4&mode=related&search= vs Gallardo an italian V-10 I may add!.

 

You show me a ferrari engine that I can beat the living s**t out of over the weekend and still drive to work on monday and I swear ill jump on the bandwagon!. The SBC engine has to be the most bullet proof engine on the market today where it produces great power with good reliablitly all in one package.

I do believe that a F430 engine will produce more power perliter yes thats without a doubt because its smaller but I bet after a long weekend at the track iam sure that from the track it would have to make its way over to the repairshop for service asap while the Z06 can go to wallmart get groceys, take the wife out for dinner and still drive to work on monday.

 

Thats thing, most replicars use the famous Chevy small block as their weapon of choice even if it is a crappy replica.If I drop an Lt1 in a Diablo replica it would probably be more reliable than an orginal.

It just goes to show you that you can have a crappy looking car but you wouldn't have to spend much for a good powerfull reliable engine. Look at the Ultima GTR, SSC Aero and Mosler photon 900TT, they all use the Chevy small block and they all have some decent performance

 

mate you are a lost cause, ALL you guys have missed THE POINT, I said that there is NO, repeat NO, American V8 that will match an Italian V8 for output per litre

plain and simple , a bit like Pantera, nothing about getting around a track faster, or that a 7 liter engine will put out more HP than a 4.3 litre engine (wow, how do the Americans do it ? 400hp from just 7 litres must be incredible technology ffs)

your last statement is just too stupid to address because for a start I'll bet you haven't had a Ferrari at a racetrack for a weekend.

Here try this, last year I drove from my home state Qld to Hobart in Tasmania and back , did 2 days track work, engaged in a motorkhana and did 2,000kms driving around the Tasmanian island at fairly rapid speeds.

All up this was 6,000+ kms plus 2 trackdays and a motorkhana where cars are thrashed every 10 mins for about 5 hours.

My 308 was faster than the 328, 348s (just, but I was drivingthe wheels off it) so I didn't spare the car and it performed faultlessly.

Your last paragraph was absolute crap and an insight into how LITTLE you know about real cars

"Aussie" V8s are crap as well , but then they are based on American V8s.

There is only one US V8 worth talking about and that was worked on by Lotus otherwise it would just be a boat anchor as well

 

WTF??

 

Look man it doesn't take a rocket scientest to figure out that a SBC puts out more power than a V-8 Ferrari overall, I can careless what puts what out perliter, Acuras Integra put out more Hp perliter than the 355F1 in its day but you know what nobody cared the teggy was no match for a 355 stock to stock. Seriously who cares about horsepower per liter?. My question to you is how often did you drive your 308 then? how many miles did you put on it? was it reliable?. I have seen many SBC's out there thats been used and abused with more than 200k on them and there still kickin hard.

Do you even know what a Z06 is capable of? Iam not even a Z06 fan but I know enough not to believe that some Ferrari V-8 isn't far superior to the Small block. Why do you think thats normally the weapon of choice for most car builders?. point me in a durrection of a ferrari V8 thats more reliable and better performing than an LSX motor.

 

my answer to you <Ash simmonds name for you is way too nice), is I drive my car EVERYDAY to work, then 6 trackdays a year with the FCA plus the FCA rally where we all meet once a year in a different state in Australia which just happens to be the SAME size as mainland USA which means LONG distances and then we do the usual trackdays and motorkhanas !!

How much more reliable a car do you want ?????????????????????

My mileage works out to about 25,000 kms per year and it gets over 25mpg on average but to be fair most of it is US style motorway driving but nonetheless proves it to be reliable.

my question to you is , what do you drive and do you drive it everyday and if not why not ?

is it an exotic killer ?

have you ever done trackday in it ?

against exotics ?

did you beat them ?

 

J. Brabham and Repco say you're full of cr*p (again)

Oh, and you lost the rugby worse than we lost the rugby

 

I had an LS1, and I LOVED it. It was reliable and very powerful, and with a Corsa exhaust and headers it sounded fantastic. I only put a few hundred dollars into it in the 3 years I had it other than basic maintenance.

You're comparing apples and oranges, my friend. If the American carmakers made a V8 like Ferrari does, it would be ripped apart by the media as unreliable and expensive to maintain, and rightly so. That's not what Ferrari's are for. You speak highly of the DOHC LT5, but look at it now. Parts are made of unobtanium and priced accordingly. Sound familiar? And this engine is in a Chevy! I hear from a pissed-off ZR1 owner about once a month about the cost of maintaining their Uber-vette. They aren't happy to say the least.

The Big 3 could make a Ferrari-style engine, but it's not what they do. The V8's they do make are fantastic at what they are supposed to do, make big power cheap.

 

PLEASE - PRETTY PLEASE - stop encouraging this discussion - its getting to be painful and boring.

If any of these replicas DID actually have the correct engine in it, I doubt VERY much that it would be one of the Crappy ones...... The current discussion seems to be a discussion of Ferrari vs Chev engines - which is a VERY stupid argument. I've owned a 355, I currently have a supercharged vette engine in an Ultima..... and the two engines cannot be compared.

Perhaps more stupid is the comparison of a Vette to a Ferrari as they are two COMPLETELY different cars.


These arguments are the sort of arguments that I would expect from a crappy replica owner. You guys with Ferraris should not even be entertaining the discussion......... I mean seriously, a video of a rolling drag race has been posted to "prove" that the Chev is a better engine than a Ferrari..... OH PLEASE!!!!!!!! - its not even worth responding to that.

 

Was typing my post at the same time as yours....pressed "submit" and was brought back to see your post..... I agree 100%

 

LOL you win.

 

A luxury car manufacturer in China!!!

I think its a Cloud

Followed by a Corniche

Then a hearse!!!

and the last one is a Bently !!! HAHAHA...

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You misread the title of this thread: The adjective "crappy" doesn't mean, that only crappy replicas are being discussed here. It was probably put into the title originally as some sort of negative judgement about replicas altogether.

As I said before: Replicas shouldn't be discussed anywhere else in FChat. So this thread is the only place for the good, the bad and the ugly.

I think there are many questions and issues about replicars and I'd love to hear about them. Kitcar magazines normally glorify it all, Ferrari magazines don't even talk about them, so where else do you learn some information. E.g. Ashsimmonds comments below about the Stratos (#1331) is the sort of stuff I'd love to hear more about.

Also I'd be very interested to hear how your Ultima actually performs. I don't care about straight line 0-60 numbers, but real life times around a track.