BMW being investigated !! MAJOR BREAKING NEWS ***SPOILER***

And so it all blew over; no sentences because of possible variations in the measuring method. Kimi's WDC was confirmed, we can all relax again

 

oh man, when will I learn to read to the end before posting?

Apologies for the bad,

Jack.

 

Haha. Don't worry about it.

 

What? McLaren trying to take a win they don't deserve?
Say it aint so.

 

I hate to say it, but it is, indeed, so. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63570

 

How could they ever challenge Ferrari´s victory in the RACE? The Ferrari´s aren´t the ones under investigation.

 

Indeed, but they DO want to challenge Ferrari's victory in the WDC! Why else would they appeal?
If Hamilton gets the WDC this way, it'll be the last F1 race that I've watched. This whole season has been a shambles and has made me think about turning away several times. This would be the straw. I wonder if there will be many more feeling the same.

 

More like Bernie and Max need to be hung by their balls from the nearest tree!

 

Not a chance Mclaren would care at all. They need to show something this year before the FIA tears their 2008 car apart looking for Ferrari technology. The interview I posted a link to with Max describes how the data passed really couldnt impact the 2007 as it was done BUT the 2008 car could clearly benefit.
I think Mclaren are scared and desperate hence this completely bogus, unsportsmanlike, after the fact, charade. Lets hear it Hammy fans what do you think? Another gift? How about that crane? This is in such poor taste. They cant win it on the track so now this? IF LH has class, he would tell his Doberman RD to back off and prepare for next year!!!!

 

LH would NEVER tell RD (nor Bernie or Max) to "back off". He knows where his bread (excuse the horrible pun) gets buttered....

 

It is difficult. On one hand I can understand why McLaren would appeal. There is much on the line and McLaren have to answer to shareholders and commercial partners who would love to see a Mac driver crowned as champion. On the other hand, McLaren will also understand that under these circumstances, a possible championship for Hamilton, will have almost no value at all. Even Alonso has commented he hopes the appeal is unsuccesful, since it would take everything away from one of the most thrilling seasons in the last 30 years.

 

Maybe he could just tell RD to "go swivel".

Lewis can only blame himself. There's a fair chance that his electrical problem resulted from his bash over the curbs fighting with Alonso for points he didn't need. He's still a rookie, and made a rookie mistake.

Learn and move on. That should be the lesson. Quibbling over a lost championship is poor sportsmanship.

McLaren isn't going to be very appealing to anyone --- especially drivers. Kimi spent five years with McLunk, and couldn't get a WDC. His first year with Ferrari, and voila.

Ron fighting not only with FIA but with *both* his drivers over the year .... Who's he think he is? Enzo?

RD is turning McLunk into a good team -- to get *out* of.


I would hope that FIA would take the fuel data report as it needs to be seen: as an indication that too many FIA rules are too fuzzy to be implemented fairly. Fuel temp where? Ambient where? Ambient when?

Team orders, arbitrary tire rules, spec engines .... the FIA microfiddling is ruining the racing.

The notion that the championship has to wait on the appeals should be a robot waiving his arms to the FIA -- danger! danger! FIA is destroying a good sporting series, just when the number of top drivers should be providing the best years in decades.

 

You would not expect FA to say anything else, I mean he would gain nothing.

 

I find it hard to understand the heat that this issue has generated; using other teams' technology has gone on forever in F1.

As an example, those of you who have followed the sport for a while will remember the high nose era. The high nose first appeared on a Tyrrell and was very successful. Within a short time nearly every team was using it. Did they all come up with the idea independently? Of course not, they "stole" Tyrrell's idea/intellectual property/technology. And that's just one example of very many. Is using another team's ideas/intellectual property/technology OK if you can see it on their car but not OK if you can't see it, or if it's given to you by an employee of another team? I don't think so. If one is "cheating" so are the others, any difference is purely one of degree.

I would argue that the "exchange of technology" operates in the interests of the sport. Imagine if a team (let's say Honda for the purposes of the argument) developed something that made their cars two seconds a lap faster than any other, what would be the result if the other teams weren't able to use that technology? Honda would win every race until another team came up with a different idea that gained them 2 seconds a lap and since the chances of them doing that quickly are remote, it would be the end of F1.

 

Well, I am surprised he says anything at all on this subject. Like you said, he has no play in this. One thing is for sure: Alonso is NOT the 2007 champ.

 

+100

Honda Ermm wishfull thinking there Ian

 

"The ICA would still need to accept McLaren's appeal, though, and in that case a date will be set for the hearing."

Is the appeal even accepted by the ICA yet? Will they? If so, when would the date be for the hearing? A couple of days, a week or two?

 

I just wanted to use an example that would allow any discussion to be relatively 'neutral' and leave the heated Ferrari/McLaren issue to one side. I do have a bit of a soft spot for Honda though.

 

Does it strike anyone else as odd that the temperature difference between fuel at some unspecified location and the "ambient" temperature at some other unspecified location is a potentially championship-toppling infraction, ....


... but Nakajima driving straight over his pit crew doesn't seem to have violated any FIA rules at all?

Did Albers violate any rules by driving out of the pits with the fuel hose attached? (But remember the furor when the car drove down the pit lane with the air blowers still on? Or the Toyota drove out dragging a jack?)

 

Good point.

Hazards of the job I suppose..but not any advantages gained as I see it

 

Also it should be added that there was a discrepancy in temperature measurements between the F1 management (FIA) and the F1 team contracted Meteo France as the latter showed a few degrees cooler.

 

I think RD is just trying to irritate Ferrari...and...

There is a precedent about fuel regulations although not about fuel temperatures: at the opening GP in Interlagos, Brazil, March 26, 1995.
Benetton Renault and Williams were found not in compliance and had CC points deducted for having illegal fuel, which was not consistent with the sample deposited in Paris the week before.
However no points were deducted from the drivers.

 

I agree 100%. I have been an F1 fan for nearly 40 years, but if this result is overturned I will not watch another race in the series, ever.

 

not really a precedent for this as the circumstances were very different and no performance advantage was deemed to have been gained

 

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