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FIA announces ten-year engine freeze for F1.......wtf???

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  1. Lexdiamonnyc

    Lexdiamonnyc Formula Junior

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    http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071024153519.shtml

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    The FIA's World Motor Sport Council routinely met in Paris on Wednesday and ratified an imminent ten-year freeze on Formula One engine development.

    The news follows reports last weekend that Max Mosley rejected the alternative proposal of the sport's six car manufacturers for the future engine rules.

    The manufacturers wanted a 675-horsepower formula for 2010 and beyond comprising four race engines and an energy recovery 'boost' button.

    But Mosley, the FIA president, rejected the proposal because the carmakers would not agree to supply customer engines to private teams for 10 million euros per season.

    "There will be a total freeze on engine development for a period of 10 years, starting from 2008," a statement issued by the Paris-based FIA announced on Wednesday.

    "A change can be made after five years but only with the unanimous agreement of all stakeholders and following a further two-year notice period.
    Total freeze means that there will be no exceptions for development of certain parts of the engine, as is the case under the current regulations," the statement reads."

    man, I can't wait for Mad Max to kick the bucket!!!.......I never wish anything bad on anyone but this guy is killing one of the few sports I really enjoy.:(
     
  2. Senna1994

    Senna1994 F1 World Champ

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    They can always reverse it when this joker is gone.
     
  3. GrigioGuy

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    So, the cars can't be developed further, there's more advanced technology on street cars, and there's little to no passing on the track. Tell me again why this is revered as the premier racing series?
     
  4. SRT Mike

    SRT Mike Two Time F1 World Champ

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    The sooner he croaks the better.

    Why should the engine manufacturers be obligated to supply other teams for a price that Max sets? If they are obligated to supply engines, then let supply and demand be the price factor. If any given engine ends up being best - say Toyota - then said team could have a nice little business selling to 5 other teams at 10m Euro/year. Thats not a bad addition to the bottom line.

    Max just wants to turn it into a spec series and I am really surprised that Bernie doesn't just lay down the law with this chump.
     
  5. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Because it runs faster around any track than anything else.

    Except a Caparo T1 that is.
     
  6. kizdan

    kizdan F1 Veteran

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    They have to be very careful with what they are instituting in F1. I understand wanting to bring costs down, and enabling lesser-funded teams to have the chance to be more competitive, but this is, after all, the pinnacle of motorsports. F1 is supposed to have the absolute latest in cutting-edge technology.

    So in 10 years from now, we will see the exact same engines that they are using in 2008? This will be very damaging to F1's image, and will quickly turn it into a lesser series, and a series where engine manufacturers will have no desire to compete in since they will not be able to show off their engineering prowess. Bad move, very bad move.
     
  7. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    +1

    At least I rather have a 10 year engine freeze than some hybrid crap regulated into a F1 engine. And as Tony says: This can always be reversed once this moron is gone.

    Just last night I was watching Clarkson's take on the Prius from the "Good, bad, ugly" DVD. They shot that POS to hell with a machine gun. Right on!
     
  8. Alex1015

    Alex1015 Formula Junior

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    He is so far out of touch with reality.
     
  9. Anthony_Ferrari

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    Is that true?
     
  10. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    If you believe Gordon Murray's hype. :)

    Don't know yet, as tests are underway. I read a couple of articles about the car and at least in theory it should outrun anything on the planet: It is basically a street legal F1. So it has the downforce, the weight advantage and the cornering capabilities of a F1, but it doesn't have to play by the F1 rules: Therefore it covers the wheels and the cabin, which produce enormous drag on regular F1s. It can also use whatever engine it wants and has therefore somewhat of an unlimited hp potential. And it would probably run for more than 600 km. :)

    Based on Murray's simulations a Caparo T1 would currently be on pole position at Le Mans. Let's see what it'll do in testing.

    He wasn't kidding around when he came up with the McLaren F1. This is even more radical than that was at its time.
     
  11. jtremlett

    jtremlett F1 Rookie

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    Never take these things at face value. This is yet another tedious political powerplay from Mad Max. I don't know what they'll end up with, but the only thing you can guarantee is it won't be this. A fair bet it will be something pathetic though...

    Jonathan
     
  12. F&M racing

    F&M racing Formula Junior

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    We need to check this Mosley into Room 1408 at the Dolphin Hotel.
     
  13. SrfCity

    SrfCity F1 World Champ

    Probably true. Wasn't it only just a while ago they were saying that Hybrid's will be mandated in '10? What happened to that?
     
  14. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Mosley is always pushing for hybrid technology and the teams continue to stall. Every year it gets postponed to the next. Good thing. :)
     
  15. dretceterini

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    He will have to drop dead, as he will never quit his cushy position :(
     
  16. dretceterini

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    What is the Caparo T1? Can you post photos and/or a link please....
     
  17. WILLIAM H

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    F1 sux, I want Can Am back

    meanwhile at least ALMS is still cool and still not a 1 formula series like NASCAR, INDY, & F1
     
  18. DriveAfterDark

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    http://www.caparo-t1.com/

    Type Caparo T1 in to www.google.com and you can find LOADS of information.
     
  19. Agent Smith

    Agent Smith Formula 3

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    Yes sir!!! That's exactly what I was thinking too. This series is a showcase. It needs to be treated like one.
     
  20. IanMac

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    If the teams don't like it they can leave the FIA umbrella and run a series unimpeded by the FIA and its politics. A lot of teams wanted to do just that a few years ago but couldn't get quite enough support to make it happen. Ferrari were instrumental in keeping F1 inside the FIA fold.
     
  21. PhilNotHill

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    So the teams with the better engines will retain their advantage? That would be Mercedes and Ferrari?

    How could a new team enter F1? Porsche would have to buy its engines from a rival? this should keep new teams from coimg in to F1.

    Teams will fold over the next 10 years. Who is going to replace them?

    This does not sound like a good move to me for F1.

    Aerodynamics will be even more important. Advantage to the teams with wind tunnels (that work).

    In my experience, any time you try to freeze technology, it will run over you. Looks like they are looking at NASCAR for their business model. That's not leading, that's following. Formula None?
     
  22. DriveAfterDark

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    Is Porsche coming to F1?
     
  23. maxorido

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  24. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    I said faster around a track. Not fastest car overall. That'd be something from Bonneville with a turning radius of a mile.

    BTW: According to Caparo's website it does 200 mph in low downforce setup. -> Performance
    http://www.caparo-t1.com/
     
  25. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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