merci Antoine, j'avais noter la première en 1950, et je viens de me rendre compte que je l'ai à la date que tu me dit. pour la seconde merci.
You could well be right, Kurt. That 4-course high concrete block pit wall looks vaguely familiar. I had taken my photo captioning from the gallery album which David Castelhano had on www.scuderia.cc a while back (as being correct). There seem to be very few differences between #0860 as she appeared at Riverside and Las Vegas, other than a Shell decal on the rear bodywork - which of course we can't see in the photo in post #2864. So what about the one below ? Comments, David ? Image Unavailable, Please Login
.... and a large scudetto decal in the door scoop. With apologies for the small photo. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Keep them coming. I go to this thread every 2 or 3 days and start with the last page. That French web had wonderful stuff and I plan to explore this one further. Many of these pictures go into my files on the individual cars. Very interesting about the Kochert family..By the way I am slowly going thru all the Ferrari Chat threads starting with the "beginning". I has taken me almost two months at about 4 hours a day to get to page 38 and record the pics and some of the info on just the even # cars up to about 0860 and many of the odd# cars up to the end on the 250LM production. For a retired guy and a F.F.[Ferrari fanatic] for 50+ years I am having a wonderful time so keep the tifosi provenance coming. Thanks much to everyone. tongascrew
I want to thank those of you who choose to share these images with us. It is a privilege to view them. Why do these old photos have so much soul? Modern F1 and Ferrari racing photos do not seem to have such a spirit and fantastic beauty that these do. Comments from anyone?
Hi Clint Is it because nearly everything in motor racing these days is so safe, with massive run off areas and rubber tyre protected crash barriers etc? The racing in those days was more 'natural' if you like. When I look back at these fabulous photos, and even at old video, I am amazed. I was recently watching video of Spa and the old Nurburgring, and there was no protection, maybe a hay bale in front of a tree but that was it. Now don't get me wrong - I'm not saying this was a good thing, but the drivers at that time accepted it as part and parcel of their profession, and they laughed in the face of danger. And when you see photos of the drivers they looked happy; they're usually smiling and even messing about, there's a spirit of comraderie - what a change from most of the present crop of multi-million £($) malcontents. I think these old photos show a time when the world in general had a better spirit, and was a better (i.e. nicer) place. I think most of us recognise that this spirit shows through in these photos, and we know that motor racing today (and life to some extent) has become more insular and more self-centred. The old photos have a spirit, as the old drivers had a spirit. Nathan
Could not have said it better. Those were the days... Or are we just getting older and thinking everything was better back then? Gr. Martin
Just to give the proper photo credit where due, the "fisheye" picture of 0846 at the 1966 Targa Florio, as shown in post #2844, can be credited to Ami Guichard, the editor of Automobile Year, according to the Photographers List on page 281.
As to the why question above , an important point with the old pictures is I would say that you feel (or can feel )part of it ! Today all is show ,money, power and selfpromotion by small men , everything is so controlled , and going to a race you are not allowed to do a lot! And even if you pay , its very restricted. Then it was more of human beings getting things done and have a life in between. If you look at older pictures from the paddocks , you will be stunned !
It goes to the comment (not sure if it was Jackie Stewart or Stirling Moss who originally said it) "I was from a time when $ex was safe and motor racing was dangerous."
Just found this photo at a swap meet. Unknown photographer, almost certainly an amateur... [img=http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1537/ferrariindyfj9.th.jpg]
Nice! In the background is Art Cross' car I believe. I love his story, he took his 1952 prize money to buy a farm where he lived until he died two years ago. He was also the first Indy 500 Rookie of the Year and finished second in 1953 behind Vukovich in a dirt track car.
Nathan, you and I have a little bit of history. So please understand that I'm not trying to bring up the past; but, surely, you must not spend much time on the track. Actually, I'm an old biker, so the Isle of Man is my frame of reference. But do I think for a moment that the lads running this course have complete control of their mental facilities? Uh huh, no way Jose. Do I think for a moment that the car racing giants from back in the day would hesitate to advocate for "massive run off areas?" Not on your life or theirs. Indeed, why do you think they drank so much? Dale
When I said "Is it because nearly everything in motor racing these days is so safe, with massive run off areas and rubber tyre protected crash barriers etc?" I was thinking about it from a photographic point of view, as that was the original question. IMO todays photos are sterile, taken from miles away. The days when one could stand on the inside of the corner with a car just feet away are long gone. The racing car environment back then was more photogenic, if you like, which is why the old photos have more soul, more spirit. I also said "Now don't get me wrong - I'm not saying this (i.e. danger) was a good thing ... " I also said "the drivers at that time accepted it as part and parcel of their profession," and the fact is that they did NOT (QUOTE)advocate for "massive run off areas"(/QUOTE). Nathan PS Did you ever see the finished book?
Okay, I understand your point. Clearly, it was a lot easier to get cool pictures back in the day, if perhaps more dangerous. Dale PS Actually no I haven't. I don't suppose you know where I can get one at a discount, do you?
.... even when taken from the 'relative safety' of a storm drain. Maurice Rowe's amazing low-level photo of 412P #0848 on the 1967 Targa Florio - © - taken from his photo book 'Track Record': Image Unavailable, Please Login
If only they'd changed the wire wheels, at Indy... *sigh* They were cautioned they would not hold up to the banking.......
While this is a modern photo taken and copyrighted by Roger Dixon at the Historic Targa Florio it speaks to Nathan's point. Roger has been shooting for many years and has taken a lot of great motor sports photo's. He told me he likes events like the Historic Targa because you can still get close to the cars. Note that he is on the inside of the turn but we were surprised to come up on him and as you can see from the lean of the car we were booking. Image Unavailable, Please Login
I wouldn't have the balls to have taken that shot, even that long ago! He is only about 10 feet away from the car, and about 5 feet below it, on the side of a hill, shooting upward. If the car caught the curb, he would have been wearing it!
