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328 heater controls problem

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  1. Darren68

    Darren68 Rookie

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    Both the temperature / air direction controls on the passenger side of my car don't work, I though it was the switch but I have tested the switch and its fine so I assume either the power isn't getting to the valves / motors or they are stuck.

    Can anybody tell me how to get to them (where are they!!!)
    Can they stick/be freed up or will they be burnt out if they are stuck ?

    Any help / pictures would be appreciated.
     
  2. JohnnyS

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    The air direction unit is under the front bonnet. Remove the spare tire and screws holding the spare tire plastic holder section/cover. You can slide it forward so you can see up under the front windshield. The air direction unit is up under the windshield (passenger side) and has an air duct running to it from the heater core located on the passenger side. The heater core is located about 6 inches from the back edge of the bonnet and mounted on a wheel well platform. Should be obvious once you see it.

    The same set up will be seen for the driver's side and is located on the driver's side. I would check the electrical connections first. Mine was having issues as well but after checking out the connections, things started working again. I suspect a bit of corrosion at some contacts or one of the connections may have worked itself off.

    Good luck.
     
  3. Kingpin328

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  4. Darren68

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    Excellent help (although my car is R/H Drive so fault is on the other side of car).
    I have removed wheel and plastic cover.
    The temperture control valve is the easiest to get to so I removed the motor control unit and plugged into the
    loom for the other side of the car, it works !!!.

    The fault must be between the switch and the unit !.

    (I tested the switch on the bench)

    Do you know if the cable goes through any other connectors or fuses between the switch and the control motor ?

    P.S Thanks for the excellent help.
     
  5. Dino944

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    Is the passenger side ventilation fan wiring etc in the same place as the temperature/direction wiring stuff (under the plastic cover near the spare)?
    Thanks in advance.
    Best regards,
    Dino
     
  6. JohnnyS

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    Follow the air ducts from the heater core to the front of the car. There are two blower fans up front on the driver's side (US car). You should be able to easily see them from up top. However, you may need to get under the car to trace the wiring. This part I have not dug into so I don't know the wiring actually runs. Sorry, no pictures.
     
  7. Kingpin328

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    #7 Kingpin328, Nov 7, 2007
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    Are you absolutely sure the switch itself is OK?

    I believe there are several connectors, at least the one in the forward 'bulkhead' and possibly more in/under the tunnel.

    EDIT - If you have access to the wiring diagrams - check scheme 8 (heating / airco / cooling system), it only shows connector 128 (wich I guess is the footwell).
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  8. Kingpin328

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    #8 Kingpin328, Nov 7, 2007
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    Yes and no, it follows the main loom all the way to the headlight-motors, then goes down to the two electrical fans. Here's 2 shots: first shows the air ducts (front, left side) the second shows the wiring loom going downwards behind the headlight mount.

    My right hand side fan isn't working either, will have to investigate myself (some day :) ). You'll have to go in from access panel on the underside of the car.
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  9. Darren68

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    I have bench tested the switch, I suppose it could still be faulty if it fails under load, I have now managed to find a wiring diagram it shows an extra connector that it describes as at the end of the tunnel ?

    I'm not sure how to get to this, I will have a look tomorrow.

    Thanks again for all the help.

    Darren
     
  10. Darren68

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    How do you get to the connectors in the tunnel ?
     
  11. Kingpin328

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    remove footrest-panel to access connector to front train. Access to tunnel loom: remove seats, gemove shift knob and gate, remove ash tray, then probably remove most if not all switch gear, loosen 4 screws to lift entire tunnel.

    Good luck !
     
  12. Dino944

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    Thanks for the info guys. I greatly appreciate it.

    Best regards,
    Dino
     
  13. Darren68

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    Excellent help

    Thanks.

    Will let you know how I get on.
     
  14. Darren68

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    The saga continues !!!.

    I have removed foot rest panel , and the front half of the tunnel ( you don't need to take seats out as the plugs are underneath the front half )

    I have checked power to the control valves and both have 1 wire not connected to the motor.

    On the control valve it is red / black stripe , I have power all ther way to the foot well (tested by sticking a pin in the cable),
    but NOT to the motor.

    I have tried running a temp wire to the motor just cutting out from footwell to motor and it works !!!

    So the cable must be broke between footwell and motor.

    Where do the cables go /run ?

    Alternativley is there an easy way to get a couple of wires through to the front from the footwell I could then tap them straight in to the motor.
    I am determined not to let this beat me.
     
  15. Kingpin328

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    #15 Kingpin328, Nov 10, 2007
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    Great, that saved you quite some trouble then, I never got myself to taking out either part of the tunnel (yet). Perhaps a dumb question - have you tried something like electrical connector spray (to dissolve any oxidation etc)?

    A seperate wire would at least solve the problem. See attached picture (infamous around FC I guess but that's another story) to see the main loom in the nose section:
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  16. Darren68

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    I tried cleaning the connectors , it didn't make any difference.

    I then checked I have volts after the connector , but not at the motor there must be a break in the cable, maybe its shafed against something, or its been cut or drilled through when an alarm or something was fitted.

    It looks like the problem must be under the wheel arch liner, so will look there next.

    Unfortunatley the weather is bad and I don't have enough room in the garage to get to it so will have to wait a while.

    I cannot just leave it as if something has cut though the wire it could short and cause more damage or other wires could also be damaged.
     
  17. Darren68

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    Problem fixed !!!!!
    Thanks for all the help.
    There is a connector to the side / behind the relay/fuse board, I had to remove the relay board then cleaning the
    contacts got everything working.
     

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