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Weak Results at Wednesday Sotheby Art Auction Relating to Credit Issues

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  1. John Vardanian

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    I think it is presumptuous to compare the appreciator of the rare thoroughbred cars to the appreciator of say fine paintings. While the male humans' attraction to automobiles is primitive and basic, it takes a higher level of intellect and sophistication to love and lust after the work of an old master.

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  2. Chaos

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    now im not really a van gogh fan - i tend to feel his more famous pictures are little better than those a child could achieve. yes yes your going to tell me its all part of his genius and style etc, as for the sunflower pictures frankly id not hesitate to call them crap. (i'll get me coat)
    from what i can tell he knocked out most of his pictures in a very quick time taking little or no care over them

    that said there are a few i do like.

    http://www.vggallery.com/painting/p_0212.htm - something about this just appeals
    http://www.vggallery.com/painting/p_0467.htm - an ex had a print of this on her wall
    http://www.vggallery.com/painting/p_0779.htm - no idea why i like this one i just do.
     
  3. Napolis

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    No The Fields is a different painting. This is Wheat Fields and some believe it's the last one he painted. It's fourth from the bottom on your list. The time to buy is always when bubbles burst. If it falls to 10 I'm there. Should the Prado want to raise some cash I'm there for Garden of Earthly Delights as well...
     
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    Wheat fields (4th from the bottom) is considered by some to be a fake...at best it is a preliminary sketch, as it appears to be a charcoal sketch.
     
  5. dretceterini

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    Yor first choice I understand, but the skull? That one doesn't do much for me. I like the cafe scene, except for the fact that it is probably the Van Gogh that has been reproduced most often.

    I like Monet better than Van Gogh...
     
  6. krasnavian

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    We like the skull! The Cafe reminds me of my visit to Arles and, without discussing technique, it evokes an emotion and feeling of well-being that would otherwise require a prescription.
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    I needed a refresher but it was even more impressive the second time around.. especially given the time period.
     
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    I ran through the whole slideshow on the Van Gogh website linked in Napolis' post. It was all paintings and color drawings, and several others were reproduced in B&W.

    The painting that he refers to is from VG's last and greatest productive period...1890, Auvers. He had it all together by then as an artist, if not in his personal life.

    To preface, the art market, like the Ferrari market, is crazy. With that in mind, if anything VG did is worth in the multimillions, paintings from that period are, IMO.

    My moment of truth about Van Gogh was when I came across a painting from that period in the National Gallery in London...standing there and looking, I realized why he's considered a great artist. Previous to that incident, I had been a bit iffy about his work, even after seeing a couple of major VG exhibits, as well as being trained in fine arts.
     
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  11. Napolis

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  12. Napolis

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    In real life that one is amazing. Definitely worth a trip to see it and the others in the Prado. Philip loved Bosch and bought them all. He hung one in the Church at Escorial. He built a bedroom with a window that looked into the church and at the Bosch. If you lay on the bed you can see the painting. That was his deathbed.

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    jim im sure you have better art knowledge than me - however almost every website ive seen says the painting was The Fields - the one or 2 that said "Wheat Fields" actually showed a picture of "The Fields"

    http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/11/09/arts/EU-A-E-ART-France-Van-Goghs-Dream.php
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/22/AR2007092200882.html
    http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article2987776.ece
    http://www.cbc.ca/arts/artdesign/story/2007/11/08/sothebys-auction.html?ref=rss
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7084440.stm (they call it "Wheat Fields" but actually show a pic of "The Fields)

    finally - Sothebys own site has this link
    http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/BID/190975825x0x137191/428856dc-18f3-4b09-9b88-b55780d2fc76/137191.pdf
    this shows the same painting that the other sites have shown, and they call it "The Fields"
     
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    stuart im not sure i know which one you mean.
    the skull was 1st on that list wasnt it ?
     
  16. Napolis

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    Nick you are right. We're talking about the same painting. Not sure who actually named it. The NYT/WSJ/and Bloomberg referred to it as "Wheat Fields" but that could be a mistake and it's official name could be "The Fields". Maybe it's called "The Fields" and is of "Wheat Fields". :)


    "The Fields (Wheat Fields) by Vincent van Gogh is possibly the last landscape the artist ever painted (est. $28/35 million)."

    The reserve seems to have been 28 which it didn't reach.

    Best
     
  17. Chaos

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    i thought it had to be the same, cheers for taking the time to check it out and confirm :)
     
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    yeah that was the 1st one i listed.
    you said you could understand my 1st choice but not the one with the skull

    looks like we are both suffering from a little confusion - oh well ne'r mind LOL
     
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    By first choice I menat the one you seemed to like best, not the first picture listed...
     
  22. Chaos

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    aha, my bad
    it all becomes clear - LOL
     
  23. Finitele

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    Not if but when?
     
  24. krasnavian

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    Like many conceptual artists, Damien Hirst can be a shocker. The skull is extraordinary with its juxtaposition of death and extreme luxury leaving aside the implication of Blood Diamonds, which may or may not have been his intent. He's one of the few who can boast that his work has produced vomiting at a showing. Now that's art!
     
  25. Napolis

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    I remember a lot of people throwing up at Greatfull Dead concerts but that may have been for different reasons...
     

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