Schumacher

Actually it was Fisi who bumped MS and shredded his tire. I just wanted to point that out first before you-know-who comes on and uses it as an excuse to insult you again

 

Pure speculation. He never drove against Hami. He never drove against Kimi in the same team and regarding Alonso: Well Fernando beat him two years in a row.

More speculation. You can't just simply take out one result in a championship race and assume everything else would have been the same. You could (to some degree only) do this in the last race, but not if it wasn't the last race. History and life doesn't work that way. Who knows, maybe some other driver would have torpedoed him at that race? Some other component might have broken down, a tire might have blown.

And as stated before: If you want to go the route of what ifs with title contenders, the list gets endless. Pretty much for every MS title I could easily come up with an alternate scenario of how the runner up would have won, if...yadayadayada.

Having said all that, my own speculation is, that MS would have won an 8th title this year if he had stayed at Ferrari. It would have taken Kimi just as long to find his feet (if not even longer with the team focused on MS) and by the time Kimi would have been a real contender, the team would have relegated him to #2 status as MS would have been leading the charts. Despite having made mistakes in 06, I think MS would have made less mistakes than the Kimi and Massa and if nothing else with their combined points he would have had an easy lead against McLaren, meltdown or not. Woulda, coulda, shoulda...

The other question is: So what? So what if MS had bagged an 8th title. What would that have changed for him? He is a god for his fans with 7 titles, he leads almost every statistic and if his detractors don't accept him with 7 titles, why would they with 8? I don't think anybody will ever beat or even equalize those 7 titles, so what would he have gained by staying around or now by coming back? Absolutely nothing. The man is a legend no matter what.

 

As far as I remember that question never got answered: It might have been Fisi or it might have been MS driving over some debris from the crash in the last turn.

 

Bumped yes. Shredded tire, we don't know.

 

Let me answer those, just for the fun of it:

Yes to Hami winning the title.
No to McLaren doing well this year. Their brake system wouldn't have been as efficient.
No to MS winning a title at Spyker.
Yes to Lincoln being assassinated no matter what.

Those were easy.
What I have a harder time with answering: What if the Normandy invasion had failed?
But I digress.

 

True. I was assuming it was Fisi. And you know what happens when you assume...

 

There was equal speculation that he drove over some carbon fibre piece which deflated the tire. I guess we'll never know.

 

The blown engine didn't bother me as much as Schumachers errors in Australia, Hungary and Monaco. I'm a huge fan of his but I was screaming at the TV during those 2 races and the Monaco Q3 session. Those errors cost him 14 points by my guesswork, which would have more than made up for the engine failure. I wonder if, having made errors like that, he felt it was best to hang it up before he started making more of them?

Anyway, we have Kimi and Hami (and unfortunately Alonso) now to fill the void. It should be a fun 2008.

 

for the top three:

Massa
Kimi
Fonzo
Hami

 

Gawd. Pay attention. Perfection can't happen all the time. Ferrari should have been kneeling before the Gods for all of the gifts they have received. Crying over that engine is a weak point, all of the other cars that year had more failures in the last 5 years then that Ferrari did over the same. Yes, he would have been closer to the title but if we are going to add such "what-if's" as that, why not say, MS might have been so over joyed with that win, that he went for a jog that night and was hit by a bus? I'm not claiming that you were wrong, I was pissed when he fell out of that race, it cost me $4,200.

All I was saying is, he's had better fortune than any other person on the grid over the last 15 years, to cry about the few times he's dropped out is wacky.

I wasn't trying to slam anyone just open a few eyes to the completely blinded, one-sided equation that was being posted by a few members.

As for the tire issue, if the Stewards judged it that way, then so be it. Rules are the guidelines, be safe and race within them.

 

What race was that in?

 

Who was insulted?

It's not an insult to say something stupid was in fact stupid. Opinions aside the data shows that Ferrari had a massive time span between failures, no argument can be made against that.

Pretending they are/ we indestructible {like a video game} is and was foolish.

I don't see the insult.

 

IMO, to say someone's opinion is stupid is to imply that they themselves are stupid. I think it would have been better to simply state that you disagree rather than use that label. Just my opinion though. Hopefully cove26 didn't see it that way.

 

As I said in that thread: Jones and Hakkinen are not exactly experts when it comes to successful comebacks.

Who knows, they might have a hidden agenda: Encourage MS to have a comeback and watch him fail miserably so they aren't the only ones looking like fools.

PS: I'm not saying MS would have a bad comeback, but I really wouldn't listen to Jones and Hakkinen for this.