New Scuderia Killer??????????????

You said "ANY FERRARI or LAMBO", so I chose a model I am familiar with. The point is that most all of these cars depreciate, and in some cases people have written off more on a 5 year old F-car than they would have paid sticker for on the new ZR-1.

On the interior, the "stiching"( I think you meant stitching) you see is actually a full leather dash and leather door panels, which in person are much nicer than the soft touch plastics on the standard interior.

You are correct that you can buy a much cheaper car and throw N20 or some other power adders and possibly get the same straight line type performance, but this is more than that. It's handling, braking (everyone seems to keep forgetting those CCB brakes that come on this car, which are in Ferrari pricing terms 20% of the total value of the car), and daily driver friendliness.

We do not know how many ZR-1's vs. GT-R's will be produced annually, so I think it might be premature to say th GTR will be more exclusive.

 

The pads are $100, 000 also. You just part the car out and buy a new ZR-1 when the pads wear out. Pep boys already has aftermarket pads for it for $49.99 installed though.







(just kidding for the more dense among you)

 

Style is very subjective, so even though I do not think it's a timeless design, others will certainly see more than I do in it. That said, the F430 has been criticized for it's styling over the 360, and some say the 360 was not as pretty as the 355. Does that mean Ferrari's styling in a decline, or that we need to adjust our opinions?

qaultily (Quality?) is a word than can be taken in more than one way. Quality of materials used (i.e. interior plastics, etc.?) Ferrari has some great interiors, but the sticky plastics are a well known issue, and dash shrinkage on a 8 year old car certainly looks like hell on a $150K MSRP product. Quality meaning how the product holds up long term? I think Ferraris are far more trouble-prone than a Corvette in general, but that's part of the exotic experience apparently.

Really though in some ways you are right. Many people buy these cars to perform (they are not mini-vans or pickups), so unless you are a poseur who thinks of your car's nameplate as some sort of automotive Viagra, the Vette could be the better car for a true driver. It remains to be seen if the little things that plague the C6 (confidence in handling at the limit, etc.) will mean the ZR-1's limits are unattainable for most mortals, but that's a discussion we will have to pursue when they are actually in production.

 

And some Ferrari owner said,

Who cares about the lines of the C6, mine looks better, its a Ferrari. Corvette owners like to cry like a 4 year old because even if the vette is faster they still would rather own a Ferrari and they can't afford it.
Corvette fans wanna be corvette owners don't know much about Ferraris or their service costs.

In reality there's no crying over what is attainable and was rather rejected by choice. So who is more likely to do any crying then?

 

I bet you're right about the price, but I bet they will be even lower maybe even $6K to $7k.

 

Someone just took a dump, and put some leather on it.

 

and you drive?

 

Like I said I have been a fan of vettes since the L98's of the 80's and I always thought they where great all the way up till now with this car but the problem with vettes that I have noticed growing up was yeah it maybe faster than any exotic but as soon as a Lambo or ferrari pulls up next to it I suddenly lose serious interest in the vette, my buddy once came out to a local car gathering a brought out both of his exotics a Diablo and some of his employees where driving his TR and they parked next to a group of nice C5 and C6 vettes including a Turbo vette and a new Z06 and it seemed like nobody cared about those the lambo and ferrari had a mob of people around both cars while the vettes had nobody but their PO'ed owners knocking on the exotics. Do I care about these cars for attention? No not all but let me tell you that those old 10 year old Exotics did it for me while those vettes looked like avarage cars parked next to the exotics.

Don't get me wrong though vettes deliver outstanding performance for the dollar but I just wish GM made them alittle more attractive to where they could be as exotic as a Viper driving down the road where I can be stunned just looking at it in my garage .

 

You think about it look how much a base C4 was back in the day even a ZR1 C4 back then when they first was released they where roughly 65k when they first hit the showroom floors and now adays you can get them for roughly 20k, a buddy tired to sell me his for 12k up front very nice and complete car, Look at the Ferraris and lambos sure they where very expensive back then but atleast they maintain there value much better than most vettes I have seen by a long shot. I wouldn't want to pay 100k now when I know in 10 years this car will probably retail at the used car lot for about 20k.

The Ultima GTR and the Factory Five GTM is the only other two cars that could indeed challenge the Corvettes and the new GTR for the best bang for your buck title and win. They are kits that use mostly GM parts including the engine from the vette. The GTM has already been proven to be faster than the base model C6 Z06 with just an LS1 or an LS6 for power and the car cost less than 70k to complete. Just imagine when someone uses the LS7 for go.

The Ultima GTR on the other hand if money is not an issue then that might be very well the greatest bang for your buck deal period, where else can I get a car for 100k that can do 0-200mph better than any topbrand Supercar on the market?. Not to mention it best the Lap time on Top Gear by more than 5seconds only god knows what else it would do with a well built powerplant and a good driver.

Yes they are kits but the whole thing with kits are there are no rules and regs like there are with common production cars, its not like I can take a Civic or Supra drop 65k into it and barley pull a stock ZR1 from a 30mph, you could but that would be unfair a stock vs modified race and besides those come from the factory with a baseline stock everybody knows in the real world no civic stock is gonna play with a vette stock and win. These are kits with no realtime baseline numbers.

 

I didn't like any of the poll options so I didn't vote. I just dont like corvettes all that much, has nothing to do with them being gm or being junk. I do think the car is a steal and will beat the pants off just about every sports car out there but it's not something I would buy. I'd rather spend 100k on a used ferrari 360 or 550.

 

One element of the Ferrari brand management is to associate themselves with "exclusivity". I'm sure most of you have read the periodic threads regarding how "stupid" Ferrari dealers are have valued customer queues for new cars. Annually, Ferrari total production is about 15% of the Corvette volume. Most of the Vettes stay in North America while the Ferrari are sprinkled around the World. Ferrari and Lamborghini both carry an aura of rarity, deserved if for no other reason than by the small number in North America.

I've been labeled in this thread of being one of the snobs and somehow putting the Ferrari community in a bad light........this is odd since I have owned automobiles of virtually every US, European and Japanese brand over the past 30 years. While some claim the new ZR-1 to be a great value at $100K, that is most assuredly a subjective view.

Let me try to take one more shot at this using a practical analogy........my wife and I rate wines we buy by value.

Value = What would we pay/What did we pay

This is independent of price range.....it works equally well for Two-buck-Chuck as a $300 first growth Bordeaux.

I have acquired several cars in the past decade well above $100K and consider each, based solely upon my subjective opinion, to be a great value.

No matter how I juggle the equation, no Corvette produced with the technology, assembly quality and material quality of a 2007 Corvette will ever be worth $100K to me.

 

The ZR1 is a nice car, period, and an amazing car for the money. It's just tough for some Ferrari owners to see a car like this then justify the premium they pay for a Ferrari, so they chalk it up to that magical X-factor. That unquantifiable something that makes their car 2, 3, 4 times as much as a car like the ZR1. I'm not saying Ferrari's aren't worth more. There is a fit and finish that, IMHO, is worth a certain premium. But the premium that Ferrari (FIAT) asks for some models is far and away more than what the car is worth (IMHO). They can keep the price high by keeping the volume low and continue the very successful Ferrari branding that has made the marque what it is today.

I can tell you that this car is going to be a much lower cost of ownership and will be a much more reliable and daily drivable car than any Ferrari currently available.

 

100000+

 

Just because you got a new leather jacket.........no need to brag about it.

 

Clarkson on the other hand was impressed with the C6 Z06 on the track.

 

My lastest Autoweek has an article on the ZR1 and it says the ceramic brakes on the rear are the same ones on the front of the Enzo and the fronts are even bigger. The braking on this car should be able to pop your eyeballs out of your head.

 

thank you...the voice of reason!!!!

 

Sounds like your looking in the mirror to me

 

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The ZR1 is ok but I heard it weighs 400# more than the Z06

So, I'll just keep my Z06 add some track goodies & maybe a 650hp Katech engine & Blow away both the ZR1 & the Scud

 

That sounds like a good plan. You'll have to let me take it for a little test drive then.