Roland, Rob..........IMO Wyo made need an intervention of some sort....... At least he's got a lot of SPACE to roll around in, out there in Big Sky country....
Someone said his car hasn't sold because its overpriced, correct me if I'm wrong but I thought it was tied up in court/legal matters for awhile
OK, you are wrong..........do you KNOW or just talking? It's not 'tied up' in anything.....It was stolen (by A. White)....it was recovered (less a few tool boxes and bits, TR parts etc.). This is a great thread........like the Legend of Sleepy Hollow....."Look out! The horseman has no head!"
As you may or may not know, at the time A. White had the 18 wheeler, his 355C, spares package and all sorts of high end stuff at his disposal. Entrusted with the TR and the F40, Title Forgery and other high kinks occured, Roland eventually (after one of the two surgeries was performed a SECOND time) had to go out and round it all back up.... It all comingles with the guy still in CO wanting a piece of A. White azz, but I think he may still retain the wheels of Roland's TR....we'll see how that works out, but the TR is back on the road with ew OEM (not chromed) wheels..... Cliff Notes Version per hearsay I have heard here and elsewhere.... SRT Mike I'd like to revisit some of your statements "teams formed" etc......and unlike F1 races I differ greatly in the position of Test Drivers and fabricators rights to claim the Victory as a team member. The list of winning DRIVERS is common knowledge and too easy to spot check, I don't recall anyone including Roland ever claiming that, in posts here or to me personally.
LOL its not just my crappy OEM brakes, its EVERY F40's crappy OEM Brakes! But, at least we did get that situation resolved, in fact a lot of F40's have benefitted from the work done on my F40! Bubba, come on up to Crescent Classic this year, we can wear out a few brake pads!
At the end of the day the title "F40 Modificata" would probably most accurately describe the car. Take the LM out of the equation. It is afterall closer to being a heavily modified F40 than a replica LM.
I too have ATP racing calipers and slotted calipers which were done by a previous owner, and my car stops quite well; I have heard about the crappy rotors and calipers Ferrari had on the F40, I even went out and bought some that were removed from another car in case a new owner may want the OEM brakes...but i doubt I will change them just for looks. I am now using 18" kinesis wheels which fit perfectly over the new calipers and rotors. The OEM 17" wheels will not.
Why do you insist upon overplaying "Sympathetic Solitaire"? Call him on your cellphone tonight and sing him a lullaby! Otherwise, the guy deserves what he's (not) getting for the car KORR so aptly described in this thread! End of story!
Dear Comrades, I have upon many occasions mentioned the Classiche Certification and I merely wish to reiterate yet again its value as unequivocal evidence of the integrity of an F-40. If Roland's car had the Classiche Certification then there would be no dispute as to its integrity. I say to all of you owners who have molested their F-40's with non standard exhaust pipes and big Brembo brakes and other appendages to cast forth these nefarious appendages into the wilderness and settle yourselves into a life where you can sleep at night without fear diffidence, or rancour, knowing that your car will never be the subject of contention. With kind regards, 512 Tea Are
Late night calls are ANOTHER Fchatter's specialty.... I do my business in the unblinking light of day. Nice try, though...... I was simply explaining how A. White had enough time to make his run. Are YOU buying the F40?? Thanks Chris! PM sent......
ok, I will pose a question or two: those of you who are posting here about Roland's car, I have to know: have you ever seen the car and have you ever met Roland? Raise your hands and be counted. He is definitely not what some of you think he is; and his car is gorgeous ( no, it is not a great F40 LM replica as far as replicas go) bvut a nice car nonetheless
I know the car very, very well. I have hauled it in my transporter from coast to coast and have been on the track with its numerous times.... I have traveled often with Roland before he got mixed up with Aaron White. I tend to try and remember the Roland I first met and called my friend. He is still my friend, but he went through a period that he represented himself and the F40 as something he should not have done. I witessed it first hand on numerous occassions and it became an issue of integrity that I could not deal with. I was very disappointed in Roland during that time. I truly believe Aaron had alot to do with it.
Excellent post 512 TeaAre..... The car in question was damaged even more heavily than the UK example, that has recently undergone Micheletto restoration. It WOULD be interesting to prepare an estimate on a similar attempt on Roland's car. There are still too many F40s, (we were counting those known languishing in Houston TX alone, yesterday) to make this example a financially viable proposition.
Yes. Yes. Interesting car but I agree with Alex and Chris as to it's value. There is also the issue is it road legal?
Add to that the fact that apparently there are custom fabricated parts on the car that haven't been paid for, and maybe the new owner can wake up to find a lien slapped on his new "LM", adding even more to the legendary status of such a unique car!
As I said, "I thought". That was based on a comment Roland made to me when he came to Reno to pick up his tools in Truckee. That was awhile ago so my memory may be incorrect, maybe it was tools or the rig. In any case if it was stolen as you say it sounds like legal matters to me. It was put out there so someone who KNOWS could clarify it, so thanks.
My goodness.... A bunch of experts at it again. Everybody heard a bit here and there and feels the need to repeat it. From Salvage title to not an F40, no LM parts, no this no that.... The car has a clean title. Even if there was a salvage title, which not all insurance companies issue when they sell damaged cars, you can get the car re-issued by presenting it to DMV and they will take the car under close inspection to see if all repairs were done to present the car in a safe condition. This is done hundreds of times every day. There are "real LM" parts on the car. We have gone through the is it an F40 or not too many times. It is, as the gentlemen stated who was involved with the car prior to the crash and helped the old owner to sell the remains. Roland never tried to mislead that the car was not resurrected. Heck there is a multi page article in Forza for those that care to read. It states exactly what the car was, what was done and what it is today. We have gone through the process of renaming the car "Modificata" based on suggestions from Fchat members. Nobody is trying to call this car a "real" LM o pretent it is a real LM. It is a recreation based on a fire damaged F40. No, the original engine was toast and it got a new engine. So engine number and chassis number do not match. Also well documented for those that read. What is the value of a one of car. You can all throw your guesses out there and your opinions which are based on...nothing but your personal opinion. At the end of the day the value is what one person is willing to pay vs what the owner is willing to take. Unless the two meet at the number both are accepting there is no value for this One-Of car. What is the value of Jim's P4-5? Its not an Enzo but a "bastartized" something sililar to what kids do with their Hondas? I am sure there are some nuckleheads that will object to his P4-5 designation. Some that will say it is not an Enzo. Fact is, it is an incredible one of machine and as such the only value you can ever put on the car is howmuch one person is willing to open their pocketbook for and what Jim is willing to accept as "fair" payment for his car. Some may thing $300,000 for the P4-5 is too much but I am sure there will be one person that will eventually pay enough to make Jim part with the car. The value is not someone that cannot afford the $300,000 in the first place but the guy that absolutely wants the car. Same with Roland's car. There will be one person, one of these days that wants a reliable, daily drivable F40 that has the looks of a race car, that drives like a race car and is reliable as his Honda. That number my friends and "experts" is the true value of the car.
So who can correctly answer the questions about the authenticity of the Michelotto drawings that were supposedly used? How about the chassis, is it the original or was is fabricated by some unknowns? Anybody care to post the pictures of the car after the fire, I remember they were posted here in the past. There was a 1991 F40 sold at the Manheim auction in Orlando in 200-2001 that had repaired frame damage. It was a repo from Chase Manhatten and it sold for $130k, anyone know where that car is now?
A few points. "Ferrari P 4/5 by Pininfarina" is the official designation agreed to by Luca di Montezemolo on behalf of Ferrari, Andrea Pininfarina on behalf of Pininfarina, and me. This designation has be codified in writing by all of the parties. This car will not be sold in my lifetime nor is there any amount of money, as The Saudi Royal Family who unsuccessfully attempted to order nine "P 4/5's" from Ferrari found out, that will change that. That said Martin is quite correct in saying that what ever someone who really likes Roland's car is willing to pay, assuming that it's an amount that Roland will accept, is what it will sell for. It's very cool and cool cars have value. What that value is is YTBD.
