Why not buy a burnt to the ground car that is enough to built what you want to built. Why would you start out with a 100Miles example? Of course you do it to save money. You make parts not to save money but to get them in the first place. Try to place an order for anything from Michellotto and see how far you go. There was an attempt made then to get those parts which went fruitless. (again read FORZA) so molds were made from a real LM to redo some of the body parts. Just as it is impossible to get anything from Michelotto on the 333SP, which you have to remake yourself these days, the parts for this car have been remade. Making a negative mold, then a positive mold is a lot more costly than buying the one part you need if you can simply buy it. F40 parts are as hard to get from Ferrari and the intention of Roland was never to remake a F40 but to built a street usable F40 that looks like the LM. The point you and so many others are missing in this useless discussion (that comes again and again) is that despite your attempts to bad mouth Roland and this car, he has never made a secret out of what the car is or not is. It is written black and white in Forza long before you guys were here, knew him, met him or had heard of him. Instead of giving someone credit for the effort he has gone through in years of development to make this car what it is today some feel the urge to put down this man's car. Roland has saved an F40 from being lost forever to the scrap metal machine. It is well documented howmuch money he has actually spent on the car. Since you obvioulsy do not have the knowledge on fabrication or dealings with Michelotto and/or the Ferrari factory you may want to stay quiet. Your conclusions are wrong. Fabrication of a part rarely saves you money but rather costs a lot more than buying it if it were available off the shelve. How do I know? The mold we made for the GrandAm GT 360 bumper cost a cool $10,000 to make. The bumper fabrication adds about $4200 per bumper. So to make one single bumper from scratch will cost you $14,200. Go to Michelotto and buy a gunuine GT bumper for $8000 would save $6K. Problem is, ML does not sell them anymore so all you can do is make them. Read FORZA and you realize there was never a question of what the car is or has been. To imply he is lying about the car is rediculous. To even suggest that he has built the car to make a profit is even more rediculous, giving a well documented built-cost.
Martin, I routinely get a pretty generous severence package, in lieu of Notice.......my people will be talking to your people.....ROTFLMAO! I have been fired before so you git no 'cherry' there......it's a dangerous life aggravating multi million dollar customers, just speaking my mind..... My knowledge of the car, thanks for your last inflammatory post, SRT Mike.....STARTED with the published article in FORZA so many years ago, which as Martin says........ANSWERS most of the doubting questions in this thread! It shows pictures of the damage, explains the windfall purchase of the OEM motor, all the things that made the rebuild possible in the first place... So I recommend it, for enlightened reading and to 'get the facts'...as they used to say on Dragnet. Maybe I could sell some reprints, if FORZA no longer has that issue!! I'll join coachi and malcomb in saying I HAVE met Roland and in fact inspected the car quite closely at leisure at the 2004 FFQC. Then I went upstairs and looked over #002C just as closely, what a joy that was! Resisted temptation to leap in, crank the steering wheel and make ''vroom vrooom' noises. Come to think of it Mike, I DID build the Nanoscale Technology Building here for those Nobel guys, but I just hit it with 5KV electrical service, those deep thinkers take it from there....I just have to check 'clockwise vs. conterclockwise' as the HVAC doesn't work as well, motors running backwards. I only claim the races I have won, brudda.......
As Valeria noted last night, among emails and calls from principals in this deal....."at least you have some interesting friends.." Leave my wardrobe out of it!!!! LOL! I never seem to have my Factory coat, when I need it....there's not much cargo room in the 308GTB once you throw 2 helmets in.......
Martin, you are being a tad disingenuous here. You were involved with the car when it was being touted as an LM and a very heated debate occurred right here on FChat that resulted ultimately in general but certainly grudging agreement to call the car an F40 Modificata. The facts regarding this car are plain and obvious. It is a unique car based on a burned out F40 chassis and has had various Ferrari and a substantial amount of non-Ferrari parts cobbled together to make a very nice track car. But it is not an LM. Despite this clarity in understanding what the car is, Roland and various people connected to him continued to pass it off to the public in general as an F40 LM. There is no doubt that this is fraud when the characterization of the car as such, was used in promotional material related to the sale of the car. If Roland wanted to call his car an Enzo, but never intended to sell it that way he certainly, in this great and free country of ours, was entitled to call it whatever he chose. When he seeks to profit from a misleading and inaccurate description, he crosses a line that makes it fraud. That is the point of this thread.
Martin, I even have a few problems with your title description on your website for the car... "Special built F40 to LM specs". Your long description seems honest and straight forward enough. But I don't find this car to be a full F40 to begin with, much less modified to LM specs. I suggest "Special built burned F40 to the ground to LM inspiration". I almost want to add kit car, but there are a few Ferrari parts.
Dear Comrades, I know nothing of Roland's F-40 and therefore have no desire to pass comment. However, it has been the catalyst for many well written and most interesting posts; the most recent of which are those from SRT MIKE, KORR and 410SA. With kind regards, 512 Tea Are
These were pulled from a previous thread regarding the car in question. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe these are the before photos of Roland Linder's " F40 LM " To have gone from this to what it is today is very impressive feat... but the credit should be given to the many individuals who spent countless hours making it what it is... once again... I find it funny how the spotlight shines on "Actors" when the real credit should go to the talent behind the curtain... people like Dave Helms in Co... and many others who invested countless hours into this project. I'm sure that the price reflects the willingness Mr Linder has to re-pay them and their efforts. Props to them for making and maintaining this fine automobile. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Just my 2cents here. It's obviously an amazing feat to bring back the F40 from that wreckage, but really to my mind it is just a triumph of technology over common sense. It really should not have been done. Things and people just die sometimes... You shouldnt always bring back the dead just because you can. The same applies to medicine. The same should have been applied here.
Now I know where the steering column with the VIN went (up in flames)! Six months back I thought that 250k was a reasonable number, but after seeing that burnt mess of tubes 25k is my new offer. And I would have too start all over. Shame
I read the article in forza when Roland was rebuilding the car. It started as an F40 that burned to the ground saving only the chassis and gearbox. The engine was OEM from Ebay for $20K USD complete with turbos. The roof was raised during the resto to allow for his height and all the body panels were reproduced by him from molds he made from another LM apparently. So none of the panels are even ferrari parts. I just watched the prototype F40 go for $600K at RM, no bad stories.
Yes, the engine was OEM, complete with all accessories, but he paid far more than $20K.... How do I know this with certainty? He purchased the engine from me, back when I lived in NY. David
I'm sure it's possible a mistake was made or whatever. But Paul, you'd know better than me....but $20K for an F40 motor with turbos? Where do I sign?
fwerff, you can't even buy 2 turbos for 20k! fwiw, a lot of F40s have skeltons hanging in their closet ..
Yes the tubes in the roof were relocated to clear his head, they have pics in the forza article showing him sitting in the car with the new found head room. As for the engine, forza made a big deal out of the "buy of a life time" by getting the engine for that price. Cant believe everything you read as usual but he did change the roof and make the panels himself. Its an F40 as far as im concerned, just rebuilt from scrap and custom tailored making it less valuable than a stock plain jane one.
