Graham, You have grossly over-stated my disposition and accordingly I am embarrassed. I will say this: I know the cars themselves fairly well, but as for the market, I sent my crystal ball off to be restored a few years ago and have not seen it since... no matter, it was never Classiche Certified anyway! Joe www.joesackey.com
First you should begin by reading exactly what people write. Next you should break out your copy of Das Kapital and refresh yourself on inflation.
Dear Comrade Joe Sackey, Yes, and as is always the case, you are wholly omniscient in all matters F-40. I note your subtle reference to Classiche Certification and of course it is this matter above all else that will underpin the values of the F-40's thus certified. With kind regards, 512 Tea Are
Is it possible that we may dedicate a new forum to Comrade Joe Sackey & the english bloke, AKA Comrade 512tea are? A poll with potential titles of a JS/512TR forum might be a wee bit o'fun Joe
There are actual, yes ACTUAL LM body parts on the car. However, that does not make a difference in the big picture. Neither is the fact that real LM body parts were used to make molds. As for the blue prints I will research that a little further. I know there were some and will find out what they actually were. I know there was collaboration between ML and the various builders of this car made me believe they actually were ML blue prints then. If you have proof otherwise, please feel free to PM me or email me. I am sure you have my email Chris, you know I respect your opinion on this matter and so many other matters a great deal and thank you for your input. You are the one person that I would allow to call himself an F40 expert, having taken yours apart and actually driven.
That FChatter was me, and it was an opinion...if you choose to make your investment decisions basing it as gospel, be my guest I find it quite humorous how an opinion has rankled the one FChatter than ALWAYS has an opinion. I'm glad it keeps you up at night
You may misunderstand the issue here. The one pissing and moaning is you. You are probably pissed that you are being corrected in your baseless assumptions and let me do this one more time for you, just for good measure: there is no dishonesty about the car. Read! The car has been discussed many times over, has been published, has been seen on countless Charity events throughout the US, has been used to raise thousands of Dollars for various charities like Make a Wish and others. Its history is well known, otherwise how would you know about it, other than repeating other peoples opinions and making them your own. When have YOU, personally, ever talked to Roland? When has he told YOU that this is a genuine Ferrari F40LM? The answer is never. Moreso you are simply repeating what others are telling you they heard from others. Read my words: The history of this car is well known. You can read about it all over the place. There is no basis to even start lying about this car. If it were all about what you claim it is only about then why are you even starting with the car not being a Ferrari or an F40 and all the other baseless accusations you come up with. If it is only about what you claim it to be about then stop lying about the car yourself.
Martin, with all due respect, I think you are wrong here. Here is a link to a thread on FChat where Roland signs each post with the sig "F40LM" and claims more street hours in an "F40LM" than most.... http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68898&highlight=roland+f40lm Others, including myself, recall that your changed the name of the ad you ran to F40 Modificata (after an amicable discussion) after "F40LM" was deemed inappropriate. Also, the youtube video link I posted in which Roland is interviewed also terms the car an F40LM...I guess you could split hairs as to who is responsible for that, but if you are interviewed in it, you should have final editorial say one would think. Just my opinion, but Rolands use of the term F40LM for his car is hardly a mystery....it was used for most of the events and players run he entered it in, and was part of the draw for the same said events. Personally, I could care less about the car, I have no interest in buying it. But if you are going to question the integrity of others, at least have an accurate basis to do so.
I prefer to think of the "$1 million in 5 years" prediction as one for the ages based on nothing at all. Youll note that I on the other hand stay away predictions of any kind and base my investment decisions on the past and the present. Being almost as prolific with assumptions as you are with predictions, you assume wrongly that your declaration for the future is anything more than a source of light entertainment for me... Rest assured I make sure it never factors into anything Joe www.joesackey.com
It seems to me that 512 Tea Are has a really good grasp on inflation and accordingly he has used it to significant advantage over the years... Joe www.joesackey.com
It was prudent of you to edit the last part of your post, I saw it before you did. Aside from that it is true, due mostly to FChat, that the cars true history has become public knowledge, but to say there is no dishonesty about the car means one of only two things: you are either ignorant of the facts, or in denial. I had dealings with Roland and he clearly represented the car as an F40LM. He also claimed he had raced at Lemans. He also represented other cars in his garage as his when they weren't. Do you see that REAL Lemans car in my avatar? I owned it (with a partner), and Roland claimed he owned it before me. He didn't. All he did before I bought the car was blow up the engine and gearbox by shifting down, when he meant to shift UP. He quickly stopped answering the previous owners calls after that big bucks error! There are other things I won't go into here. The fact that Roland is an affable guy and has raised money for charity doesn't alter his past avoidance of responsibilities, indiscretions and misrepresentations.
Martin, I have heard first hand and seen Mr Linder misrepresent his car as a an LM. I have seen people toss him the keys to their classic Ferrari's based upon the assumption that they were allowing a Lemans Winning driver drive their cars. I for one PAID substantial sums of money to Mr Linder and his entourage which at the time included a Mr White, long before the whole "He Stole My Car" Story, based upon his representation of the F40 being an orignal LM and he being a winning LeMans driver. I have had people see photos of Roland with me and they would say... "isnt that the guy in Colorado who drives the F40LM.. I met him in Orleans... did you konw he is a two-time LeMans winner" Upon that assumption I introduced Roland to many personal friends and in his presence would make the statement.. "Roland is a two time Le Mans winner", a statement I was lead to believe was true and was never corrected in public or private by Roland and for good reason... I was paying him based upon his Le Mans status and his car being an LM. I invited Roland to a meeting with the General Manager of the Wynn LV and the suggestion was made to display the LM during the grand opening the GM said "we already have an F40" then Roland said "But you don't have an LM" and began explaining the limited number production run.. blah blah blah... the conversation then began focusing on Roland and his status as a LeMans winner.. that is how Roland and the LM got into the Wynn on opening night. And lets not forget the numerous endorsement deals he had based upon the car being an LM and he being a LeMans winner.. a simple Google of his name should turn that information up assuming that many of the original sponsors have not removed him from their web sites. PM me Martin if you would like to hear a first hand account from someone who was duped and if you don't want to believe me I can reefer you to others who paid Mr Linder money based upon this deception. As for the car... I stand by my previous statements.
Oh come on.. I think this little name/blame game can be easily explained: F40LM = F40LyingMotherfu*ker Turns out he wasn't misrepresenting the car afterall.
Martin, I believe there is more than enough evidence to back up my very simple assertion that Roland had acted fraudulently and dishonestly with regard to the car in question. I don't believe I need to say anything further, and you would probably be wise to elect the same course of action.
C'mon guys he didn't mean the 24 hours of LeMans, he meant the 24 hours of LeMons. http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/
Scott: the car's history was well known, documented and published long before Fchat took notice of Roland. I will agree with you (and have done so in the other threads) that him not correcting misinterpreted statements has spelled a cloud of suspicion. I would have handled the situation different if I were in his shoes. I will not go into what he actually said to people (since some will only vaguely remember the true words spoken) but stay on focus with the car. Yes, there may be occassions where 100 people come up to you at an event and ask: what is it? how much? can I sit in it? can I see the engine? why is the engine in the back? ..and after the 10th person asked you simply resort to the easy answers. I have done it and I am sure you did as well. At the same time I have been there when he explained in great details to truly interested parties the history of the car, all at the same event. That said (and as I said in the past) there could have been a lot of issues avoided by clearing things up to certain people and groups in the past before questions were raised. A character flaw? Sure! Does that take the value of this car, since that is really what is the subject of discussion here (at least was till people came and started with this personal crap again)? No. The car is what it is, and always has been and was never misrepresented as being a true, real, factory LM. And to make it clear I take great offense to some nitwit calling me "disingenuous" in my representation of the car, which is nothing but straight forward.
Your simple asseration is based on nothing but hearsay. your asseration that the car is not even a Ferrari has been proven wrong, maybe you should simply not make your personal opinions based on other peoples accounts into facts but clearly state them as your opinions. You are making false statements, misrepresentations and produce lies about Roland when you make your statements as facts. Truth is, you never met the man and as such have no personal knowledge of facts. Leave the typing to those that actually can account for real statements of facts. That is a wise course of action.
Done with it. Years ago a long and extensive article about the car was published. That was back in the days when our FerrariChat community had 400 members. FerrariChat did not take notice of Roland or the car until much later than that. It was not FerrariChat that shone a light on this car but FORZA with the article that changed how I looked at cars I considered "lost cause". What FerrariChat has produced is a bunch of self proclaimed experts that have neither the knowledge nor background to pass judgement on such a car. Comes with the internet where everybody can be whatever they want from the comfort of their computer chair. Those "experts" take the true value of information from Ferrari Chat and turn discussions into a circus like this one here. The same "experts" that deny other members of this board their due respect for saving and rebuilding cars or making One-Of's that will stand the test of time. Read the article. read the extensive write ups about the car and how it was "conceived" Its past has never been a questions
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68898&highlight=roland+f40lm The content of the above thread should have curtailed your typing a long time ago Martin.
