599 Experience..Feedback?

You did not drive it enough.....

 

I guess you can't handle a real woman either

 

Oh, the Mrony!

 

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Tiny trunk:Trunk is bigger than Maranello, actually bigger than GS450. My Daytona trunk was miniscule, as is your Dino's.
Mileage?:Better than my Daytona, with useability. About same as my Maranellos. Who cares mileage?

Lots of us paid MSRP. Paying over means you didn't plan ahead. I won't pay over MSRP for any new car.

I've had old cars, love them. I really don't have the time to mess with old cars or their caregivers now, or track either.

I use this car hard. Certainly beyond 75, every time I'm in it. It is far more stable well above 150 than pretty much anything out there, and stays that way. Daytona got light in front. Maranello/SA got light in rear. This stays planted.

Paddles let you brake, turn, and shift, without hand off wheel. Slower cars, this doesn't matter.

I drive Ferraris. Not Vettes, whatever. A 914/6 will leave your Dino for dead, so will a Mazdaspeed Turbo Miata. For many thousands less, and minimal maintenance. That change your habits? Did you care what it is worth when you bought it?

In a few years, it'll be worth less, probably. So? In a few years, CAFE #'s will be what, 35mpg? Doubt we'll see many more cars like this in that environment. Plus, it's cool having dead bugs come out the side vents.

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lol

 

Get the R8 ,since it is "almost equal" and save a lot of $$$$.
As far as older Ferraris (or any other old exotics),love to look at them but can't even experience them.(Can't fit my 6'5" frame in these tiny cockpits).
550/575 was the first one I could drive but next to 599 it really feels ancient.
Oh,I use my car hard, too,many early fast(4-5 am) drives on I-294 ,no traffic.
Car will be used on track this Spring/Summer also(missed last year ,was not broken in until September).

 

Jeebus, that wasn't even my joke, I was replying while Alex and Dave posted. Defensive though. Whatever. The trunk is still small, as are the others. 599 has a false floor that is easily removed, I can get 4 bags in it, enough for me. I don't golf, but you could get a couple bags in plus clubs I guess.

You don't know my skills, me, or where I drive. I have a family, and a place to use the car. You drove it up and down in PB and Worth Ave, and you are an expert on use of a 599 and morality of same? Please.

Your other post in Dino was far more reasonable than this one. Your response to a joke after coming to the 599 forum as many do saying "599 is dumb, a whatever does it better yadayada" and demanding:

etc. is inappropriate. Sorry you don't like the car. I still like Dinos, and most their owners I know .<-joke I really don't care what you might buy. As far as anyone knows, you can't handle these cars, and none of your choices are useable by your standards either. We didn't go into Dino section to tell you that.

 

"I still want to know where you drive this car at 150MPH long enough and often enough without taking your life and that of all the John Publics out there into your unworthy hands."

I stupid comment as you have no idea of the driving abilities of those on the forum, here in South Africa, its possible to use a 599 as intended with no problem. Fact is forums are about cars and by comming here and making character assessments you are not sticking to the subject which is the 599.

In a perfect world we would agree all of time and all of us would like the same things but this isnt a perfect world but it is an interesting world.

Personally I think the 599 is a a very fast everyday exotic....

 

With all due respect, people buy things for differant reasons, one person may buy a 599 because they love the sound and looks of the car, another may by because the car is good on the track as another might prefer it as a GT car.

Reasoning will be differant for everyone, clearly you dont like the 599 and that your reasoning but dont say the car is pointless because it doesnt conform to what you think a sports car should be.

 

So..... Dino on extended stay in the shop??

You've got a Dino and you think it's better than a vastly superior and technologically advanced car you're afraid of and you're starting multiple threads (under the guise of offering your impressions) trying to convince a bunch of "A" type battering rams (read:599 owners) you're right?

May I suggest rolling a 1000# boulder up a hill?

 

LOVE the MAX SPEED on the trip function! LOL! That is great! I have only been 165 on the A5 headed north towards Munich from Austria in my '92 928 GTS (ROCK STABLE also, but there is a big diff between 165 and 190!) and 175 on a back road 2 hours drive from here in a 996 Twin Turbo...also VERY stable. Both cars able to top 180, but never got them there...close in the 911. Look forward to having that kind of fun in an F-car before the end of this year!

James

 

I drive mine every day. It is the best Ferrari I have ever owned from the POV of it being capable of being used in all conditions. I use it in urban Phoenix and the traffic here is relatively similar to most Western USA cities. The 599 is perfectly comfortable dawdling in traffic at 45MPH, stopping and starting, as it is getting rapidly up t0 freeway cruising speeds. The idea that it has too much power is overblown. These days a Honda Accord is quite capable of traveling at 140MPH +, and any one of the medium and large German sedans out there, particularly AMG's, are every bit as fast as most exotic machinery up to 150PH.
If you have an issue with the price of the 599, with all due respect, that is your problem. If price was a negative consideration everybody would be driving a Kia subcompact, as that is perfectly adequate for most transportation needs. For those that make the choice to buy a 599, it's their choice and to denigrate them as fools for paying too much reveals a bit of your own insecurities IMO.

I have a Dino too, and I love it, but, IMO, is a particularly impractical car. Beautiful, but impractical - like those women I referred to earlier

 

MRONY, I was reading this and wondering where you were from and looked to the right and saw NYC. Come to Texas, there are PLENTY of places and times where you can really reach out and touch someone at high speed without endangering anyone other than you and your car and passenger if you are crazy enough to do it with one in the car. Go 2 hours from ANY big city in Texas and you will be close enough to the middle of nowhere to do pretty much anything you want to do. Now you will need to recon the road first. Some of the roads can be pretty bad and a slight undulation at 90 might be a launch pad at 180, so you have to be careful, but really no worries down here. Heck go out further west (2 hours due west of Austin) and pick up I-10 and you could (if you didn't have cops around) do 180 for a few hours and probably not see anything or anybody! Of course they don't give tickets for stuff like that out there, they just shoot you dead in your car and leave you for the buzzards to eat! ;-)

Best,
James
PS. You can loan me your 599 while you decide what to do with it. Heck, I'll even throw in some driving lessons for you if you like. I have instructed for the FCA once (PCA and others TONS) and have probably 22,000 track instructional miles and 12,000 track driving and racing miles under my belt...errr...I don't wear belts, I am always sitting in a wheelchair so my pants really don't have a chance to fall down...I don't need no stinkin' belt. LOL!

 

I don't think it is reasonable or rational to buy ANY Ferrari, or ANY Porsche or probably ANY M/B for that matter. The point (in its most basic form) of a car is to get you and maybe someone else and some or a lot of stuff from point A to point B and to do it safely comfortably, and efficiently. I would say ANY Kia can do a good job at that! The point of an exotic or sports car is to do the same things with passion and to do the point A to B shuffle in a way that makes you feel ALIVE, maybe over joyed, maybe even IN LOVE...yea, I know it is a car, but some of the best relationships I have had have been w/ my cars (just kidding, don't everyone get their patties in a wad, I have been married to the same wonderful and long suffering woman for nearly 20 years now)!

Porsche, Ferrari, AMG and others are about Passion, not transportation. My mother TOTALLY does not get it. She looks at a car simply as a means to an end...drives me crazy and I KNOW my car addiction drives her crazy!

Think about how much money could be spent "for the greater good" of society if we did not buy or if there were not even available to buy any cars other than the most basic? It would be a sad life for me and others like me though. Thank goodness for capitalism and the free market so we don't have to settle, we can buy as much as we can afford or would like to buy! Sometimes more than we can afford even! I for one am thankful that there are cars out there that are so SUPER to be way above and beyond what one "needs", I aspire to owning many a SUPER car over the years that I have left!

 

My pleasure. Glad to hear you liked the 400i. That (or a 412i) will be my first F-car and hope to do that before year end. In time I would like to have a 456 (probably a couple of years out still...might do a 996/997 TT first), and then WAY OUT on the horizon I would LOVE to have a 599, I do think they are beautiful to look at even if you can't find many places to run them hard. Speaking of flying, I live in a fly in fly out neighborhood and hope to add a couple of planes to my hanger vs. just cars in the future too. Simple old cheap stuff, but still fun flying stuff. It is REALLY hard to find planes that work for folks in wheelchairs though I can tell you that FOR SURE!

Best to you all!
James

 

Hell my GTS's are faster than most of the planes here in my 'hood! We have 3 Bonanza's that will nudge 200 (making the 599 faster than them even!) and then 2 Comanche's that will each do about 185, which is just a touch faster than the GTS's. Nothing else even close, my GTS's will smoke everything else here! Of course they go direct and don't have to worry about tickets! LOL!

Yea, I have been over on the 400/412 boards talking with those guys. Have a knowledgeable guy looking at one in S. Cal. for me this weekend. Have not heard the report yet, but don't expect much. It did not look promising from the pics, but you just never know...if it was even a mostly decent car it would probably be a good buy, but bringing one back fully up to speed can suck your pocketbook dry. Better to start with a nice one. Funny comment about the TR! They never did anything for me personally, even though Miami Vice tried to make them popular. That said, I liked the 348 even less... I am putting on my driving suit right now to avoid the burn from the incoming flames!

Best,
James
Austin, TX
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I think you have some good car experience but I think you are not putting it to its proper use.

The sense I am getting from you is your gripe with the car is simply that its not involving or visceral enough. But. the 599 is really a GT car. I like to think of it as a kind of hyper M6. Its blisteringly fast, but its also quite civilized. I love to drive mine and I often drive it at more sane, even legal speeds. I get a kick out of it all the time, whether its the styling, which I personally enjoy, the interior bits, the sound, the tractability of the engine, really its the whole package- its so well balanced. Its not as much fun for a short blast as an F430 or perhaps an older car which will be more tactile, but here is a car that is exotic, reliable, comfortable and when the right moment occurs, the driver might think he or she is driving an Enzo. The engine is really something else- a near 6 lieter V12 that revs faster than many smaller engines. Im not an automated transmission fan usually, I truly dislike the SMG from BMW M and I have my 430 spider in stick shift, but I feel the F1 does fit the 599s GT mission better. If you find yourself presented with more routine driving situations, the automatic logic actually pics the best shift points- better than 99% of people- better than I know I would at first blush. Ive noticed when it goes for shifts and I realize these are the right moments- someone could say they leave it in auto all the time and I would not think any less of them- its that good. Yes, stick shift is more involving for public roads because on a track you really do have to focus 100% of your attention to driving and the shifting element is satisfying for me at least, but I know I am usually a drop quicker with the automated system. But yes on public roads the stick is more fun. However, as a GT car, the 599s F1 really does let you have your cake and eat it too. Its the first system I have driven where I am thinking to myself that there is no way I could shift that quickly- and thats in its normal mode- if you push it past (I think its) 4500 RPMs and are hard on the throttle it will go into its superfast mode where gearshifts are so fast that they are almost imperceptible in terms of power flow.

My feeling is the 599 needs a little more time than you gave it to be appreciated- one day of driving- unless it was non stop- is probably too little. Short romps are not its thing. Thats more up the F430s alley. I drove the 430 down to DC last summer and it was an absolute blast. I really did not want to get out of the car. But when I did, I was more tired than I anticipated I would be. The converse is I drove the 599 on a 90 mile each way in the same day road trip and when I got out I was energized. And yet, the trip itself was just as exciting for me. I think high speed highway sweepers are where the 599 shines. As to what its relative value is, I often wonder the same thing about some scribbles on canvas I see......... beauty and value are in the eyes of the beholder. To my eyes the 599 is the ultimate GT car- easy to drive and live with one moment, heart of the Enzo the next.

Best regards,
Jerry