MASSA Intends To Bid For 2008 WDC

No one will eat crow at the end of this season. You could have written the exact same post at the beginning of last year (oh wait, several people did, including me) when so many folks here were proclaiming Massa to be the WDC in 2007. When he finished a distant 4th to the big 3, despite driving the best car on the grid and yet again underperforming the car's potential, you would have thought folks here would finally shut up about Massa as a future WDC. As we can see, nothing of the sort has happened. Massa has yet again proven himself to be an inferior driver to his teammate, Massa yet again would have cost his team the WCC (had te points not been stripped form McLaren) and Massa has yet again shown to have a difficult time putting together a consistent enough performance to warrant his seat on the team.

Massa could finish outside teh top 10 this year and still folks here would be finding every excuse in the book to explain yet another disappointing season and why he will come back to win the WDC in 2009.

The massa lovers on here won't quit until he is fired from the team. And then it will be all about whoever fills his seat, Massa will be forgotten as quickly as Rubens has been. The Ferrari sycophants know no other way.

 

You might want to revisit the posts from last year's pre-season. Several of us were calling for Kimi to win the WDC. In fact a few of us were still sticking with Kimi to win the WDc well after so many "tifosi" here were calling on the team to fire him.

Ignore history if you want, but don't try to re-write it.

 

Any crazier than the sycophants here who call him Schu-Massa??

 

One interesting thing I have noticed is that it seems most of the insults and anger come from the pro-Massa crowd. Those who think he's not very good seem to just rely on facts and figures, and some on the other side seem to take it personally and get genuinely angry over the suggestion that Massa is a mid-pack driver at best.

It seems the fall back position is "well we will just have to see". I think we've seen enough! Massa could win a WDC... if the Ferrari is as dominating in 2008 as it was in 2002 and if Kimi has an injury that puts him out for a few or several races. It's doubtful either of those things will happen, and they would both have to happen just right for Massa to win. Some seem to think it's a 50/50 chance that Massa will win or Kimi will win. I'd put it more like 95%/5% in favor of Kimi (within Ferrari).

As for Massa saying he "intends to bid for the 2008 WDC".... well, I INTEND to earn a billion dollars this year. Will it happen? I doubt it. But I intend to! How many times did Coulthard "intend" to be competitive and challenge for the WDC?

 

Of course I wanted Kimi to win but the odds were against it. Stating such as I did is hardly re-writing anything. More like stating the obvious. LH was favored and all things indicated he would. Other events less predictable came into play and Kimi won. That is not rewriting anything.

 

Saying that no one predicted Kimi would win is re-writing history. Even a cursory check of folks like myself, Andreas and a couple of others last season would prove you false.

 

ROFL

 

Some people had faith in Kimi throughout the ENTIRE season, including with 2 races left being down by 17 (or 18) points. When I say some people, it just means solely FerrariDude615.
Massa has ZERO chance of a WDC this year, he's a good driver but he can not beat the Raikkonen Ferrari or the Hamilton McLaren.

 

yesir... i chuckle remembering back to when most here were calling for Kimi's head...saying he was a 'cancer' to the team...when he had those early hiccups. especially when his car gave out and he left that race early...'he's not a team player" " i would've at least done this/that, stayed to support the team etc,etc, etc" boy, the lynch mob came out in force. the few Kimi supporters had to bear that mumbo... and i tried my best to point out that different people have different ways of 'being a team player'...their personalities, etc, but lots would not hear it..all they wanted was Kimi's head on a stick.... jeez!

 

Well then I guess I'll put them in the same crazy category as you

 

My opinions are formed through objective analysis of the relevant facts, their's are formed by looking at the world trhough rossa-colored glasses. Big difference

 

Your opinions are formed mostly on your ego. As another F-chatter told you not too long ago, maybe you should get down from your imaginary throne for a day or two.
And please don't proud yourself with loyalty from last year as you and your little "Senna posse" aka "the tree musketeers" were calling for Ferrari t hire Alonshole and were praising the Hamster the entire time hoping that he would be the next champion. Not to mention all the absurd theories how the whole spy thing was purely Ferrari's fault.
SRT Mike, no I'm not angry and I am not trying to insult people here even if they more that deserve it at time. On the contrary. I have a little smirk on my face, feeling sorry for people who have nothing better to do than trying to stir things up in here all day long.
And mister Senna3Xwc-almighty knowledge, Massa contributed plenty last year for Ferrari's WCC title as they were going to win it by one point even if McCheaters were not stripped of their points (keep in mind that their penalty for the pits fiasco had nothing to do with the Spygate nor Ferrari). Talk about re-writing history.

 

Yawn

 

Are they really? I have been watching F1 for a few decades and have always pulled for Ferrari. Massa is by far the better #2 driver since Ferrari hired Mike back in 96. During those years with Michael winning all those races I remember times when Mike had a tough time and it was up to the other Ferrari driver (Eddie or Rubens) to take up the slack. I used to pull for those guys in those situations like crazy and yet they rarely came through. I pull for Massa even more now and find that it is much easier to expect Massa to come up with a win. If you look back at the number of Races that Eddie, Rubens and Massa have had with Ferrari.....It is only too easy to see that Massa will win more in less time than Eddie or Rubens ever did. When you look at the pole positions that Massa has aquired in just 2 years at Ferrari compared to Rubens...its not even close. I would rather have Massa develop the F1 Ferrari than Eddie, Rubens or for that matter Alonso. Massa is putting his heart into it and believe it or not he is getting better at it every time he gets in the car.(something like a good bottle of wine which I will buy with the $100 you send me at the end of the season) Yes some have gone on much about Massa in here but hey its a Ferrari site isnt it. What gets me is the same hand full of detractors that pounce all over the Massa fans lead by non other than Mr Senna. Why? Nobody can say 1 good thing about Massa and BANG! your right there to slam the door. Again why? If you look at the stats on Eddie, Rubens and Phil while driving a Ferrari you will see who is better by far.

 

Here we go again. How many times are you going to repeat that bull without producing a single post supporting it? You have been called out on this over and over and over again. I guess you like making a fool out of yourself, don't you?

This is why you have zero credibility on your opinions.

 

Hehe. Funny you mention it. Actually as I grow older my focus on F1 continues to sharpen (or my disinterest for many other things increases). When I was a teenager I watched F1 on TV when it was a big race. Nowadays with the instant information from the internet, a GP nearby, Ferrarichat, all races live on Speed etc my interest has multiplied. And now that I have met some folks who know a good deal, it only gets better.

If I have a talent, then I'd say it is photography (well at least to some degree). And when I look at pics I took 30 years ago then I have to say, they were just as good as the ones I take today (minus the better technical equipment). Yes I have learned a few tricks over the years, but that's merely honing a craft. I bet the development curve for F1 drivers is similar. Superstars like MS and Senna don't learn to drive anymore when they sit in their first F1 (remember how fast MS was when testing the Jordan?). They learn all the tricks around them and how to play the game/strategy, but not necessarily racing.

There are no fake F1 WDCs, but there are lucky ones. Rosberg comes to mind. Massa could snatch a title in a similar situation and I would still not think much of him. It all depends on how a title is won. If Massa wins the title this year against Kimi and Hami and neither of them misses races for whatever reason, then Massa has clearly deserved all the respect.

Quite frankly my prediction for Massa's career however is that he'll drive the Ferrari in 09 again and then gets pushed aside without ever having won the title. Once he leaves the Ferrari cockpit it will be slim pickings in other cars and the title gets further and further away.

As mentioned before: One time WDCs can happen occasionally, multiple WDCs don't. Those are real WDCs.

 

Uhhh...I did look.

Rubens has 9 wins and 11 poles, both of which are more than Massa and ALL of which have been achieved while partnered with Schumacher. Most of Massa's results were achieved last season, while his teammate came to grips with the car. It is easier to get results when you are driving teh best car on the grid and your teammate is climbing a learning curve than it is when you are partnered with Schumacher at his peak. Take away Massa's electronic aids and I think he will never ever win another GP or take another pole, he might very well get blanked this year. Goodbye yet another WCC, Felipe!

As far as pulling the slack when Michael was faltering, I seem to recall Irvine very nearly winning the WDC in Schumacher's absence and I seem to recall Rubens delivering #2 positions in the standings while helping Ferrari win the WCC. As I mentioned previously, Massa has failed to do either. he cost the team the WCC in 2006 and he would have cost them last year had McLaren not been penalized.

As far as Massa getting better every time he sits in the car, read the previous Autposort article I quoted. It sounds to me like Massa is struggling heavily without electronic aids, as so many of us here had predicted.

Please don't bother using the Ferrari argument. So many of the Massa supporters here are the same ones who called for Kimi to be fired from the team 4 races into the season. You can't pull the Ferrari supporter card now when you were turning your back on the team's lead driver last season, it doesn't work that way.

If you are lucky enough to win the $100, which is looking less likely with each passing test session, I hope you enjoy a very nice bottle of wine. I am torn between a bottle of Glenmorangie 18 year old or simply donating the money to charity. I will probably have to make that decision about 9 races into the season, I should think...

 

One has to objectively admit that the gap between Kimi & Massa is FAR smaller that what it was between Schumacher & Rubens. I'd reckon that the gap between Schumacher and Massa was also significantly smaller than it was between Schumi and Rubens.

Points: Rubens/Schumi

00: 62/108 = 57.4%
01: 56/123 = 45.5%
02: 77/144 = 53.4%
03: 65/93 = 69.9%
04: 114/148 = 77.1%
05: 38/62 = 61.3%
Average: 60.76%

Massa/Schumi

06: 80/121 = 66.1%

Massa/Kimi

07: 94/110 = 85.4%

I'm not going to speculate how drivers are going to perform without electronic aids. I speculated before 2007 that Kimi would absolutely decimate Massa, that was far from the truth. Massa is fast and was a genuine threat for the championship deep into 2007.

 

What are the first three letters you get when you spell Massa backwards?
'Nuf Said

 

You keep bringing this up. For one, Ferrari won the WCC in 2007, even if McLaren did not get their points stripped. How can you blame loosing the WCC on ONE person when it is a TEAM. If they would have lost it this year, it would have been just as much Kimi's fault as Massa's. '

Kimi would have never won the WDC if it wasn't for Massa winning the races he did, taking away points from Hamilton and Alonso.

 

Thank you very much!!!!!!!!!!!!Just what I've been saying all along.

 

There are plenty of people here who know exactly what I am talking about. We have all seen it, so go ahead deny, guess...whatever.
what has been said here are not my opinions, it is history which you are trying to re-write, which according to yourself you should quit trying to do. And no as I have said before I don't have neither the time nor the will to go search something like 20 000 posts to prove something that we all know has been done.
As I stated in my previous post I feel sorry for people who don't have a life and have nothing better to do. Me going back and spending a whole day searching your buddies' exact sentence would make me one of these people. So no thanks.
You have a very good one and maybe when you go to bed tonight you should think about a cool route to go stretch you Ferrari's legs tomorrow, instead of melt your eyes in front of the computer screen, trying to convince the world that we should all agree with you. At least that's what most Ferrari fans who are fortunate enough to be able to afford one would do. (I am not sure if you qualify in that group tho)That's of course if you didn't trade it in for a Mercedes right before the last two races last year.
And by the way Kimi (I like him better than Massa) in reality was going to see a WDC through a bend noodle, as they say in my country, if Massa didn't pull over for him in Brazil. In front of his home crowd!!! Your favorite Alonshole and the golden HAmster would have never done that, which by the way is the reason the McCheaters lost the WCC even if they weren't stripped of their Constructors points.