are you serious? he may actually be better than Kimi, Alonso, even Hammi??? err...again, please give decaff a try
Absolutely. At least as good as one of them. Can you prove me wrong? Not if your life depended on it. Give it a break.
Wait a minute. You're not saying Kimi only won the WDC because Ferrari cheated, are you? Surely Ferrari would never do a thing like that!
"There are no fake F1 WDCs, but there are lucky ones. Rosberg comes to mind. Massa could snatch a title in a similar situation and I would still not think much of him. It all depends on how a title is won. If Massa wins the title this year against Kimi and Hami and neither of them misses races for whatever reason, then Massa has clearly deserved all the respect. Quite frankly my prediction for Massa's career however is that he'll drive the Ferrari in 09 again and then gets pushed aside without ever having won the title. Once he leaves the Ferrari cockpit it will be slim pickings in other cars and the title gets further and further away." As mentioned before: One time WDCs can happen occasionally, multiple WDCs don't. Those are real WDCs.[/QUOTE] You will be accused of re-writing F1 history. Kimi has won 1 WDC. In your line of thinking its not a real WDC. Be careful what you post or suffer the same wrath I have endured from others here saying I rewrite history! Not only was Kimi the winner but there was just a little luck, breaks etc, would you not agree. As I posted, conventional wisdom and the odds makers had basically crowned LH just a couple races before the end. Low and behold it was not to be. Lucky ones like Rosberg eh??? If FM wins he deserves all the respect that hard work and dedication to a craft should recieve. If you disagree so be it. Your post sums it up and applies to Kimi as well. Lucky WDC right??? Good luck.
Sennaetc. seems to be taking this a bit far. I think Massa is a very good driver, very very quick. Just not as good as Lewis, Kimi and Fernando. He will get some good results this year no doubt, therefore be a contender for the world title. But I don't think he will take it. If Kimi starts 08 how he finished 07 now he is fully up to speed with car/team and tyres he will be simply dominant. Kimi is quite lazy, but his natural speed and car control means the if you give him a car that is quick. He will win simple. My favourite Kimi story is when he was in F3. All his rivals finished qualifying and immediately began poring over telemetry for an hour. Kimi went to sleep under a bench, woke up and won the race.
Your head is so firmly up your arse, it is sickening. I could claim that you confessed to being a child molester in a previous post but I can't be bothered to actually support my claim by producing the actual post. There were no such claims and you are fabricating lies out of thin air. You know it, we all know it, and you are hiding behind the fact that you can't actually support your idiotic and inflammatory accusations by actually producing one single offending post, not one. You are a liar, you have been proven to be a liar, and now you insist on proving yourself a fool as well. Welcome to my ignore list.
Based on your wishful thinking. If the reports from Autosport at the Jerez tests are correct, then Massa will take a massive step backwards in 2008 with the loss of electronic aids. My prediction: Kimi will win the WDC Ferrari will not win the WCC Massa will not win a single race and will finish lower in the points standing than he did last year. Archive this and we can discuss at season's end.
You would be wrong. On the basis of qualifying times and fastest race laps, Rubens was consistently closer to Schumacher than any other teammate throughout Schumacher's career, including Massa. Now that Kimi has a season's experience with the team and the Bridgestones, and with the loss of electronic aids, I suspect that his performance differential to Massa's will likely lengthen significantly over last season's.
First of all, McLaren had their points stripped by the Hungarian stewards in a decision that was so bad that the FIA is no longer going to have local stewards, that was one bad decision too many. Second of all, McLaren won more points ON THE TRACK. Ferrari was gifted by the FIA over the Mclaren penalties. Kimi would not be at fault, he won teh WDC for chrissake?!? What more do you want him to do? Schumacher was nto at fault in 2006, he drive his balls off and simply couldn't have done any more than he did. Massa on the other hand, cost the team critical points on several occasions. Leaving aside his botchs where he turned pole position into 5th place finishes, how many races did he finsih completely out of the points? I see 3 9th place finishes in 2006, any one of those could have been the critical points Ferrari needed. Yes, it is a team but each team member has a specific job to do. The job of the #2 driver is to take maximum points, ideally finishing second in the title race. Massa is simply not up to that. Driving the best car on the grid, he managed to finish 4th in the standings. Driving one of only two cars capable of winning a GP, he finsihed well behind the other 3 drivers of those two cars. Kimi, Alonso, and Hamilton all finished within a point of each other, where was Massa? 17 points behind. I have heard every possible excuse under the sun for Massa's underperformance, except the obvious: he simply is not good enough. He had a problem with his engineer, as someone suggested? Well, he was the only one of the top 4 drivers who had the same team in 2007 as he drove for in 2006. Every other top driver was in a new situation but Massa, so unfamiliarity with the team personnel assigned to his car simply does not fly. He had miscues by his team? Oh really, was that the same team that helped Kimi win the championship? Why was all the bad luck foisted on Massa and Kimi somehow missed that bullet? I don't buy that for one second. It is a convenient excuse but only one guy is driving the car. He shouldn't have to be told that he has a pit red light. I see the Massa supporters coming up with every single excuse in the world and I see them explaining how he supproted the team during Kimi's early season. How come Kimi doesn't get any excuses, everyone wanted him fired? Pre-season all I heard was how Massa would dominate as he had familiarity with the team, the car, the tires, everything. it was his title to lose and lost it he did. Kimi came in, learned what he needed to learn about the car and the tires, he got the team to set the car up to his liking and then he went out and won the WDC. What is Massa's excuse? He had EVERYTHING he needed to win the title this year, including Schumacher's coaching and support according to some, and yet he faded. He turned pole positions into fifth place finishes, he was made to look like a fool by a complete rookie in his 3rd race ever in F1. He had every opportunity to compete and he FAILED. He failed to take advantage of his position within the team, he failed to take advantage of his early pole positions and race wins, and he failed to deliver the ON-TRACK points that the team needed to win the WCC. Ferrari did not WIN the WCC on the track this year because Massa FAILED to deliver, they inherited the title when McLaren got penalized. It is a team sport but every team member has a job to do. The only one who didn't do his job was Massa.
Well, Rubens twice finished 2nd in the title chase, helped deliver 4 or 5 WCCs through on-track performance, and won more GPs and poles than Massa, so I am not sure which stats you are talking about. You can do a bit of searching on the web and you will find Ruben's average lap times and differentials to Schumacher and you will find theat they are closer than any other driver in Schumacher's career. Rubens was somewhere around .35 to .45 seconds a lap slower than Schumacher, Massa's differential was more like 7/10s. there was an article in Autosport on this awhile back, I will see if I can find it. What you are doing is relying on your perception and admittedly, Schumacher was so dominant at that time that I don't think anyone else looked capable of winning but you also have to recall that on several of Rubens wins (or almost wins if you consider Austria), he was thoroughly dominant, including Schumacher. I don't recall Massa ever looking like that, in fact I don't recall Massa ever winnign a race where Schumacher did not have some sort of problem. Rubens was the only teammate that appeared to me to have the capaibility - on his day, of course - of taking it to Schumacher. The shame of it is that Schumacher would only allow mid-pack runners as teammates so we will never know how a Mika or a Kimi would have fared against Schumacher straight up in the same car. I suspect Schumacher would still be faster but the margins would not have been so remarkeable.
+1 I remember reading an article a few years ago when Kimi was with Mac. The article said that durring a race Kimi would often leave the engineers and technicians scratching their heads wondering how was he able to turn such quick lap times and reach such speeds? They knew the car's capabilities and weaknesses, they knew the telemetry, they knew what lap times and speeds the car should be achieving and yet Kimi was proving them all wrong. IMO. Something that I as well as others have always felt about him is if the team can give him a fast reliable car then there's no driver on the grid who can touch him...and yes, I am aware of the other drivers on the grid Not just because he can turn a fast lap but more because of his talant and skill as a race driver. Many say that Kimi is lazy which is fine but I feel that's just a matter of opinion. However, what I do feel is hard to say about him is that he's not a team player and that he lacks race craft. We've all seen how close he can come to winning a WDC with a quick, yet fragile and unreliable car. We've all seen how he can win a WDC in an unfamiliar, fast and fairly reliable car. I'm very excited to see what he's capable of in a familiar, fast and reliable car. IMHO. If Ferrari can give him that combo this season, it will be Kimi 08 WDC...no problem. I'm so glad he's with Ferrari!!!
there's no reasoning with the pope of the shumassa religion. can you prove he's actually as good as any of them? not if your life depended on it. ;-) oh, i can't wait for the season to begin. i have a feeling the drivers with the best car control (shumassa not among those) will eek out a bit more room from the rest. it's a shame that the engineers are already hard at work, finding 'workarounds' for launch control and such, thus still handing the less skilled driver a crutch...albeit a small one...' and no, i/we will not give it a rest, err, ok, maybe if the lot here would stop pushing shumassa as the second coming of shumi, it'll stop...that or when shumassa finally goes to DTM...
err, those tests...while it doesn't make me happy per se, that shumassa was not doing so hot, it does worry me...if he needs the electronic crutches to be consistently competitive, then there's little chance Ferrari will win the WCC...
Now you are showing your true colors old man. Calling names etc. I can only imagine how you are turning blue in the face and your vanes are visible on your temples. I tell you what. I will dedicate a considerable amount of my weekend just to rub it in your face (by you I mean all 3-4 of you, senna dudes), but I really would like you STFU after that. You are pissing people off, but what you don't realize is that it motivates. Now your posts are going to be archived and remembered and paid closer attention at, so at the end of the season you are going to have that much slimmer chance to hide. And because we are still apparently in this argument about Massa, Rubens, Irvine etc. you seem to conveniently forget that Rubens achievements were during an era of total Ferrari dominance. Massa on the other hand faired quite better in 06 when the Renaults were simply superior. The only reason why it may have seemed different at the end of 06 is because of MS picked up the slack and made up for the car's shortcomings. In 07 no one is saying that Kimi won just because he got lucky. NO, he won based on consistency, hard work and great team work. Translate TEAM work as the help he received from Massa. He deserved the WDC title, but there was no way in hell he would have had it without Massa. I also love to see how you twist events, mix them with your opinions and speculations and them present them here as facts set in stone. McCheaters lost the WCC to Ferrari because Ferrari worked as a team (=Massa helped Kimi). Ferrari would have won by one point no matter if McCheaters were stripped of their points or not. They received a penalty in Hungary based on the idiotic action by Alonshole, which on its turn was triggered by Hamilton disobeying team orders. Not exactly team work. Therefore the only people to blame for the team failure (the only thing they collectively worked on was failure apparently) were Alonshole and the Hamster. This year the stewarding situation does not change because of how bad they messed up in Hungary. In your eyes this was the reason for the change. OK, but don't state it as the reason behind it and as a fact. Maybe they changed it because of the fuel temperature measurements inconsistency in Brazil, or the nonsense penalty Kubica received for really racing LH. the truth is that we don't really know which one caused the FIA decision. Most likely is a combination of all of them. And my best guess would be that there are still going to be questionable decisions and obvious f-ups. So next time you try to make up a story, please try a little harder. After all many of us were born at night, but not last night baby!
The ignore list...what a wonderful invention OK, all you Massa lovers, put your money where your mouth is: I have a $10,000 wager that Massa does not win the WDC in 2008. Any takers? Anyone? Yep, that's what I thought...
1. So, here apparently bu popular demand I am going to start pulling the ridiculous statements made by the Senna crowd. I am going to start with their 3xWC and will post them as I find them. Here comes number one that I found by accident On 1-19-07 he wrote about JPM ,quote: >Couldn't cut it in F1?!? He was a race winner, for christ's sake. 7 times over. What percentage of F1 drivers can say that? 3/4 of the current grid can't win a GP. JPM is one of the top drivers in the world and one of the top 3 in F1, period, full stop.< So according to this statement a) Massa is in the top 1/4 b) Massa is far from mediocre and c) make you pick whether Kimi, Alonso or Shumacher are not in the top 3 to be continued
2. So after according to Senna3xWC's logic Massa is in the top 1/4 of drivers on the grid but Webber would smoke him, the following statement made on 1-23-07 makes a lot of sense. Quote: >Webber is perhaps the fittest driver on the grid but he couldn't find the sharp end of the grid with a roadmap.< Am I missing something?!................. ...............
3. Here comes a big hit. quote: >My guess is that only one out of 100 Americans AT BEST even knows who Schumacher is.< written on 1-17-07 after Schumacher has been a champion 7 times over. I would recommend to anyone with a lot of time to waist, to run a search on the posts made by Senna3xWC. Quite an amusing reading. ...............
You are so full of it. This argument started because YOU said that Massa has no talent and he is a mediocre midfielder. No one said that he is the favorite for the 2008 WDC. Get a grip, man. By the way I am going to pick all your ridiculous comments one by one, from the past year on, so you better go see your heart doctor.
