Several reported shot at Illinois university

Money and politics. Others won't make as much, and the others won't give them a story so they can try to get you to believe what they want you to believe. When have you seen the mainstream media report on a legal gun owner that successfully defended themselves? Some local, but not NBC, CNN, etc., they want you to believe guns are evil.

 

What is it with schools and crazy suicidal killers?

I'm just going to take a shot here (no pun intended) that this was another one of those hallowed "gun free zones" that is supposed to make us all so safe.

According to the CNN story I just read, the gunman is the only one dead. That must have been some shootin' considering he fired around 30 rounds from a shotgun.

 

Golly .. another "example" of guns not being the fault .. "its the people." You gun advocates who think everyone should be "packing" need a reality check.

 

I could have done more damage with stuff picked up in half an hour from Home Depot. Yep, it's the person. Should we ban autos since people have used them to run over people? Are pencils responsible for grammar errors?

 

Damn. Sad thing to hear again. I hope everyone makes it through. Sometimes I wonder if something like that would happen here at USC, how would i react, what would be going through my mind. Is college shootings gonna be the new way for people wanting to take lives of others,

 

Your kidding right? The liberal media never loses an opportunity to exploit gun violence to further demonize those of us who lawfully and responsibly own firearms.

 

I think its a very sad situation for these kids. A lot of them do it for attention (obviously they are insane too). Attention they will never get because they are dead..

It's a double edged sword as far as the media goes. On one hand you have families seeking help and wanting national recognition for the horrible tragedy that everyone else gets when something like this happens, but then when other insane kids see the amount of attention that X person gets dead or not, it becomes more and more enticing to carry out a similar act.

My heart goes out to the families, both with dead & injured children.

 

I don't know. Suicide is nothing new to collages. I remember when I lived in the dorm my freshman year we used to get announcements all the time about students that had taken their lives. I wonder if media coverage has anything to do with it.

This serves as just another example of how useless gun free zones are. They don't stop those intent on killing or engaging in other felony's with a gun. Simply stops those of us law abiding citizens.

 

5 dead including the gunman who shot himself...so far.

 

"Shooter kills self on stage after targeting students in lecture hall"

The ultimate attention whore

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23171567?GT1=10856

 

The gun is not at fault. It's a tool, nothing more.

Dude, wake up! Schools have long been a place where you couldn't take a gun, yet this asshat did just that! Laws make no difference to people who will break them. If a teacher or security guard or god forbid a student! had a gun maybe less people would have been injured. If the gunman knew others had weapons he may have done nothing!

 

+1

Laws only apply to those of us who abide by them.

 

The solution is obvious, murder free school zones.

 

Brilliant!!!!!!

 

HE HAD ONE .. used it .. and 5 innocent people are dead. NRA won't be publishing that fact in American Rifleman.

 

He had 3...

 

No, the NRA will simply point out that massacres seem to always occur in gun-free zones instead of at shooting ranges and police stations.

More gun-free zones will just equal more massacres, if that's what you want.

 

consider this... more people were stabbed to death today, but you wont hear about it in the news.... why? Its not as "sexy"... and no one cares when someone is shanked over a $5 crack rock in Lower Detroit.

if you want to check the numbers, look at the DOJ Bureau of Statistics.

 

Hypothetical situation.......I have an aluminum Louisville Slugger. I take it to a school, bash the crap out of five people before someone takes me down. It's the bats fault. How stupid does that sound?

 

No it's yours if you were swinging faster you could of taken 8 or 9 down your lazy....lol

 

This is just too easy... I am not even going to go there... again....

 

After the creation of the Dr. Spock society some 40 years ago, we should have the most benevolent, kind, and gentle generation yet, but somehow, we instead find ourselves with one of the most violent generations ever. Many of today's youth have absolutely no respect for anyone or anything, much less themselves. Must we really wonder why, when we give them useless and meaningless "self esteem" by simply walking into school; when we give them "time-outs" for any infraction; when we live in a "disposable" society where everything from a wristwatch with a dead battery to grandma is disposable.

Further, we fail these children at a very early age when, via Dr. Spock and his "timeouts" we neglect to instill boundaries upon them. Any creature reacts violently to the imposition of boundaries upon their person, be it a puppy or kitten, or be it a human. When, finally in highschool or college we actually begin to curtail their desire to do whatever they wish, just like a kitten or baby, they react violently. Only now, they have the ability to seriously injure or kill.

As for the gun, it is only a tool. He could have killed with bombs, like the uni-bomber, made from match-heads. Banning the tool, like in England, will only cause them to use different tools. Perhaps the afore mentioned match-head bomb, or instead he may wait for an outdoor assembly and drive grandpa's 1977 Cadillac into the crowd at 100mph, and kill even more people then this guy did.

Remember, we are "endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. Among these are the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." If I have a right ti life and liberty, it only stands to reason that I have the right to protect both my life, and my liberty.

"The right of a citizen to bear arms, in lawful defense of himself or the State, is absolute. He does not derive it from the state government. It is one of the 'high powers' delegated directly upon the citizen, and is 'excepted out of the general powers of government.' A law cannot be passed to infringe upon or impair it, because it is above the law, and independent of the law making power." -Cockrum v. State, 24 Tex. 394, at 401-402 (1859)

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." -Alexandra Hamilton, The Federalist Papers, 184-8

If you would like to know what it is like to be helpless and defenseless in the face of an armed maniac, when the power to defend yourself and everyone in the room is only 30 feet away, yet completely unaccessible, read the story of Suzanna Gratia. She had to watch the senseless murder of 21 innocent people, including her parents, at a cafeteria in Kileen, Texas, all while knowing her own firearm was in the glove box of her car, where she legally had to leave it when entering into a public building.

Also remember that several school shootings have been stopped because others retrieved their firearms in the defense of the other students.

And as for the availability of firearms being the problem, remember that in Switzerland, by law, every household must contain on FULLY AUTOMATIC "assault weapon." Yet despite the ubiquity of these military weapons, their gun homicide rate is much lower than ours, England's, or Australia's.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety!"
-Benjamin Franklin

"No law ever conceived, written, or implemented, no matter how just or stringent, has ever thwarted a rape, robbery, mugging, or murder as definitively as the firearm wielded by their last intended victim." -Phocion Lycurgus

 

Great post.

Unfortunately society (and the modern city and its services) has conditioned the population to be a flock of inept, helpless sheep who expect to be nannied out of every problem they may encounter. Throw a bunch of city folk into the middle of the jungle or desert, and most would be dead very quickly, despite all the tools of their survival at their disposal in the environment around them. People have lost basic survival instincts - just look at the road toll. People have no sense of self-preservation on the road either.

If you apply the concept of survival of the fittest to these school shootings, logic would tell you that in light of these attacks, if you are commonly in a position similar to those who were attacked / massacred, you would take preventative measures to respond to a similar threat, should you have to face one. I do this on the road. I see, hear or read about an incident with an unfavourable outcome, I examine the chain of events that lead to the outcome, and evaluate various preventative measures to avoid the incident, or 'exit strategies' should my preventative measures fail. This is largely a subconcious process of examining, evaluating, and applying what you've learned, all the time.

It is a process critical in aviation, military strategy and accident investigations, to name a few examples. Sadly the general public (including the idiot politicians who write legislation) are unable to apply the same methodologies to their daily lives to make the neccessary, practical changes to actually SOLVE PROBLEMS. Hence the same sort of accidents happening over and over again on the road, and the same massacres happening over and over again in schools.

Just my 2c...