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  1. 2NA

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  2. Marcello

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    Yesterday I have seen a Miura P400 S "Boano" here in Holland.
    A real project car. exterior brown, with brown leather interior.
    Car came from the USA, with white stripe on tires.

    The car is going to be restored, and perhaps the next time I wil be able to tell the chassisnumber when it's dismantled.

    Perhaps it's #4506 or #4614 ? Both original brown..
    Joe??


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  3. Marcello

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    Speaking of almost wrecked cars, I also pictured a Miura SV here in Holland, in the 1980's,
    in need of "some work". I will not post that or the chassisnumber either...

    Ciao!
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  4. wbaeumer

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    Marcello, ....then, why do you mention this here?

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  5. joe sackey

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    Let me see... today my magical powers to determine the chassis number of a Miura without so much as a picture are inoperative. Sorry.

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  6. Marcello

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    #3331 Marcello, Feb 14, 2008
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    Good point..OK, history is history...it was #4938.
    Car came from Calgary, Canada, where it was badly crashed in the 70's and stored for years in a chicken coop.
    Car sold to Holland in 1884. Restored here in Holland, and sold through broker Rudy Pas in 1988 or so.
    Don't know where to...anybody?

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  7. joe sackey

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    It was later sold by Classic Cars of La Jolla California, on to Japan if memory serves...

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  8. bax

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    I was reading today at work that a violin sold yesterday in London for a record price; not a Stradivarius but the perhaps less well known Del Gesùs instrument made by Guarneri.

    The figure was said to be “well in excess” of the world auction record of $3.54 million, which was achieved by a Stradivarius sold at Christie’s New York in 2006.

    The article did however mention that only 700 and perhaps as few as 600 of the Strad. survive today.

    I couldn't help but think that if 75% or 80% of miura have survived the last 25, 30 or even 40 years then there are now more Stradivari than there are miura.

    The article quoted the owner as saying:-

    “The violin is the perfection of human activity. Guarneri was a genius, a great master, so it is doubly perfect. The violin itself wants to be heard.”

    For violin & Guarneri substitute Miura & Gandini.

    Didn't really get much work done today........still that car is music to MY ears at least.

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  9. joe sackey

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    GREAT comparo!

    Thanks Max.

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  10. wbaeumer

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    Ruud,
    sorry to say: correct spelling is Stradivari! "Stradivarius" is perhaps the durch version.......! **))

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  11. Marcello

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    Hi all Miura historians,

    In the 1980's, a red Miura SV was exhibited at a carshow here in Holland.
    Marcel de Lange told me he saw the VIN plate and wrote down the number 4858, with enginenumber 30780.
    For some reasons, he also thought that this was a SV prototype.

    Later he concluded that the car had to be 5856, with engine 30780.

    Car 5858 first had the engine#30626 instaled, and later #30780?

    I can't find any info about 5856.
    Do we know anything about 5856 at all?
    Very confusing ....

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  12. alberto

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    I'd love to have one with the holes in it. The original on 1021 was replaced with the solid version when restored in the late 80's. I want to put it back to original (at least until I feel how flimsy the holely one is).

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  13. joe sackey

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    Marcel:

    This is how myth becomes gospel.....

    4858 was not a prototype of any kind. It was the 5th Miura SV built, "Verde Inglese" paint, "Nero" interior, engine number 30626, delivered in Italy to Lamborauto on the 4th of May 1971.

    5856 - there is no such chassis number allocated by the works. Period.

    30780 - This is not a production engine number (the last production unit was clearly number 30759). It is remotely possible that this is a post-production replacement unit that was installed in this car upon 30626's demise, although I personally am of the opinion that this number was stamped at liberty by a privateer. Claudio assures me that even if the works replaced the unit for a customer, they would re-stamp the original number so that the customer's paperwork would all still be in order. They were under strict orders from the workshop foreman to do this.

    Its really not that confusing... post pics if you have any to clarify this tale.

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  14. bax

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    I have just had to replace mine - solid seems to be all that is available unless you fabricate & then its not original either is it!

    Why not just call it a factory upgrade - it's not as if the early chassis couldn't do with a little beefing up.

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  15. joe sackey

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    Good thoughts.

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  16. Marcello

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    I'm making this more diffucult then it is, sorry
    I ment #4856 as the proto, NOT #5856

    If Marcel de Lange said something, it usually was not a tale
     
  17. joe sackey

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    Aaaah. Thanks for the clarification. "4856" is a completely different number!!

    Yes I knew Marcel when he was alive and we exchanged hundreds of communications.

    But, 4856 was NOT a prototype of any kind, and 30780 is NOT a factory production engine number. In fact 4856 is really "3745" a USA P400 that was sent back to the factory to be "upgraded" into an SV post-production. Many of the P400 features remain...

    Just wanted to clarify.

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  18. Marcello

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    OK, thanks for the lead to "3745", that info on ILR says it all, another thing learned today ;-)

    Grazie!
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  19. joe sackey

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    We try...

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    Hello Walid. That car has been for sale for a while and has been mentionned here too. I too have wondered why it hasnt sold. The car looks great and the price doesnt seem far off.

    Joe?
     
  22. joe sackey

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    Its OK.

    Not bad, but not amazing... a little TLC and youre off to the races!

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  24. joe sackey

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    Wow. Look at the detail.... "Baffi" (moustache) front spoiler, quad straight-through pipes, "S" badge on the left side... Thanks for posting.

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