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  1. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    #651 joe sackey, Mar 7, 2008
    It did not sell. He wanted $275,000 US...

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    #652 joe sackey, Mar 7, 2008
    I dont think this issue is very confusing, and for those familiar with Lamborghini's colorful history, its not a difficult topic at all. It is what it is.

    Where do you get your "151" figure from?

    I have mentioned the "157" figure on the Lamborghini Registry ONCE and it is posted there. To say I "keep saying" 157 suggests I am travelling the country holding seminars contantly espousing that number :). Its really not a big deal, but have in my possesion factory period documentation that shows they made 157 LP400 and Im sorry if that upsets the perfectly rounded-off equilibrium of 150 cars... I dont feel compelled to prove anything at all as everybody is entitled to their opinion as to what the number is. How about going with "one-fifty-something"? Perhaps youll be happy with that? :). Sounds very Lamborghini history appropriate!

    As a side note, without opening a can of worms (oops, I just did!), it is rather well-known that the factory 'recruited' about 25 LP400 and turned them into genuine production-line LP400S, so even if there were 157 originally built, there are 25 less LP400 now in existence. This matches with the cars we can find.

    You asked for it...

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    #653 joe sackey, Mar 7, 2008
    Ok cool, thats your opinion...

    I disagree. In fact that rare Wolf-Dallara rear wing makes the car look very aggressive which is what an LP400S Series One is all about.

    The only ugly thing about the car has to be the aftermarket springs he has installed 'jacking up' the rear of the car making it look all out-of-balance with an improper angle of attack...

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    #654 roytoy2003, Mar 7, 2008
    All I know is I HAVE one!! (LP400) And it AINT for sale!!
     
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    #655 joe sackey, Mar 7, 2008
    Lucky sod...

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    #656 Marcello, Mar 7, 2008
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    I share the Wolf fascination, and historically on these cars the Wolf side mounts are correct.
    This picture should be in the Periscopa thread, scussi Joe!

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    #657 Marcello, Mar 7, 2008
    Ok Joe, you have a point there, but it still looks unnatural to me.
    Yep, like a dragster. Also the wheels are set more to the outside, don't know how to say in English.
    Another ugly thing could be the price, but I'm sure you'll disagree once more, hèhè

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    #658 joe sackey, Mar 7, 2008
    I understand...

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    #659 Marcello, Mar 7, 2008
    "This matches the cars we can find" Joe?
    So you have the illusion that you can track all periscope cars arround the planet?
    So if Joe can't find it, it does not excist?
    Checked all the basements in Japan as well I suppose?

    Now serious:
    This is very interesting and I want to know more about this.
    Did somebody from the factory ever confirmed this?
    I try to imagine how the process worked.
    Did the factory had about 25 unsold LP400 cars in stock,
    wich they transferred to LP400 S, including renumbering chassis?
    Very unlikely, while most cars were ordered directly from clients, or am I wrong?
    or where unsold cars taken back from the dealerships worldwide?
    Did they ask their clients, hey , do you want to trade in your old butchered LP400 for a brand new LP 400 S ?
    and receive the same car renumbered as "S" ?
    And the periscopa roofs where replaced with normal roofs on most of them?

    It could be "rather well-known" Joe, but it's not very convincing so far,
    please help us out here..

    Kindest regards,
    Marcel
     
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    #660 joe sackey, Mar 7, 2008
    It happened... letters on file.

    Marcello, to be objective, Im just here to share and to help. I never said I know everything. So Ive offered what I choose to, and it can shed some light on the subject or otherwise if you so opine. Im not responsible for unravelling the whyfores of Lamborghini's history to the satisfaction of anyone. If you know more, or otherwise, I respectfully defer to you, or anyone else who thinks they have the story in better perspective.

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  11. James in Denver

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    #661 James in Denver, Mar 7, 2008
    Joe, Roy and the rest of the LChat gang,

    As the owner of a 308QV, the LP400 is and always will be out-of-my-league, but its such a beautiful car, with beautiful lines without all the 80's bodywork, just a wonderful design.

    However, how reliable are the LP400's as far as "daily driving"? Yeah, I know, they are more of a show car at today's prices, but lets just say someone COULD drive them daily, could you drive it daily without worrying about it breaking all the time or pay F355 $25k services (ok, exaggerated a bit, but you get the point).

    They really are beautiful cars, would love to have enough resources to have a collection and add a LP400 to it.

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    #662 joe sackey, Mar 8, 2008
    I think your back would suffer as much as your wallet if you drove it every day :)

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    #663 joe sackey, Mar 8, 2008
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    Look at the rear valance above the exhausts... this is the style that was only used on the earlier LP400 of 1974 and 1975 with the side extensions that did not shroud the exhaust tips. '76, '77 and early '78 cars had the later units that we are all familiar with, used u till the 88 1/2 Countach.

    This early S was a "replacement" car that the factory quickly built for Armin Johl to replace his Valentino-crashed 1121012. Marcello, can you tell us if this car was originally an LP400?

    Ive noticed at least 10 LP400S with this style of exhaust valance...

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    #665 posteriore140, Mar 8, 2008
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    This type of exhaust valance might have been fitted to LP400S in combination with sports exhaust. Just my opinion.
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    #666 LC3929, Mar 8, 2008
    My LP400, which was built in 1975, has the same type of exhaust valance (following Joe, an early type of exhaust valance).
     
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    #667 joe sackey, Mar 8, 2008
    My point was that it was used on all LP400up to 1975, and this = fact.

    My point is that it is rarely seen on LP400S except, interestingly, all the Periscope roof cars, and customer specials = fact.

    Quite what your point is Im not sure. But I disagree that the Lamborghini factory would emply this device on an LP400S because it was supplied with a sports exhaust. My original LP400S was supplied with a sport exhaust and it did NOT have this device, as with many others I know that had spor exhausts = fact.

    Nice pictue of the valance we were talking about though :)

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    #668 Marcello, Mar 8, 2008
    Hi Joe,

    I didn't mean to attack you, or claiming you are wrong,
    sorry for that.

    Yes, you do share and help, a lot more then you have to.
    It is very obvious that it's not only bussines for you,
    but that you are truly in love with these Lamborghini's!
    Please keep up the good work!

    I saw my first Countach in september 1981,
    and never recovered from the virus.
    I'm also very interested in the history of these cars.

    I'm just trying to figure out if these rumors of "about" 25 recreated /renumbered LP400's could be true.
    If you say it happened, and have that on file, I believe it.
    But 25 cars is an awfull lot, about 1/6 of the total production.

    The fact that they went all the way to transform a LP400 to a LP400 S including replacement of a complete periscopa roof to a flat roof, makes it hard to believe they did not replaced a simple thing like the old style exhaust valance with the latest version.

    Could LC3929's explanation be correct?
    Sport exhausts needing the later valances?

    Best regards,
    Marcel
     
  19. LC3929

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    #669 LC3929, Mar 8, 2008
    Sport exhausts needing the later valances = explanation of posteriore140, not mine. I do not know whether that explanation is correct, but it is possible.

    Anyway I think it's great that details like the use of valances are discussed here. Great thread.
     
  20. joe sackey

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    #670 joe sackey, Mar 8, 2008
    Marcello,

    No sweat.

    Yes indeed, these cars are love first, then business second. I only have to look in the garage to confirm...

    That LP400 were converted into LP400S is a fact. Ask the old guys who were at the factory who did it. But I dont have records of 25. We only have records of a handful. 25 is 'estimated', and funilly enough, if you add up ALL the LP400 that have surfaced in the last 20 years still in LP400 guise, they do not exceed 125. Interesting dont you think?...

    The fact that they would leave an old-style valance? Or just leave the Periscope roof? It happened...

    LC3929's comment just verifies that early LP400 had those valances. They were discontinued in 1976 and that was pretty consistent... except for the LP400S with LP400 clues... Marcello, when researching history, sometimes you have to look beyond what seems perfect logic to you.

    Sport exhausts needing the EARLIER valances is actually what Posteriore 140 says. He says it "might have been fitted in combination with sport exhaust. Just my opinion". I can confirm that the Lamborghini factory did not have the early valance as a sports exhaust 'package' for LP400S cars as Posteriore is suggesting in his esteemed opinion. You only have you look at actual LP400S that came from the Lamborghini factory with the sport exhaust system already in place from new to know that he is dead wrong. Sorry.

    Anyway, Im here to help where I can and share whatever experience I have and am always willing to do so :)

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  21. LC3929

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    #671 LC3929, Mar 8, 2008
    Joe, posteriore140 only said that it just is his opinion. I have had contact to posteriore140 for over five years and I can confirm that he is a very competent Lamborghini enthusiast. Whatever he told me, it was correct. And when he tells us that he has "just" an opinion about the use of valances, he wants to tell us that he thinks his opinion might be correct, but he is not 100% sure.

    You have seen a lot of LP400 in the past so I think that the probability that your opinion - concerning the use of valances for the LP400 - is very, very high. Let's focus on that issue everytime when we see a "periscopica" Countach...
     
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    #674 EMILIO, Mar 16, 2008
    what model is the darck countach on the right? an other LP?
    (today i am browsing from a notebook with 14"....;) )
     
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    #675 joe sackey, Mar 16, 2008

    QV.

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