After watching the Australian GP, I think we can say that the heat melted both of our drivers' brains. Felipe decides to spin out on the first corner despite not having any contact. Felipe decides to ram Coulthard out of his way for the pass where DC had position on him. Kimi decides to not pass Rubens for a while despite having a faster car. Kimi decides to attempt to overtake Kovi without braking at all, and ends up driving through the gravel, even though he was about to pit. Kimi somehow let Alonso and Heikki by him, not sure how though. After watching the race, Massa sucked consistently throughout the race. Raikkonen on the other hand was brilliant (at times) and also absolutely pitiful at others. How much longer before Michael is back in the car?
the ferrari engine was starting having troubles When Kova an Alonso past Kimi ... And they are humans they make mistakes.. The thing is : everyone screwed up this w.end! the team, the car, the drivers...
Its called human error on the spin, and DC hit him from behind, then bounced of his front left tire. Felipe was in front of him and DC did his classic I'm going to cut you off and cause a wreck pass... His crash actually made me laugh, the car just fell apart lol. Kimi, well he just waited to long to change tires IMO.
DC had the position for the corner, Massa tried to cover over the curbs for the pass. It was Massa's fault. As for Kimi's trip into the gravel, Kimi just didn't brake. He tried to get by HK but braked way way way too late.
Uhhh you ought to go watch it again - Massa was behind not DC. Massa's front wheel was between the front and rear wheels of DC's car. It was probably 70/30 but I'd put more blame on Massa - DC had the position, he was in front and Massa hadn't advanced far enough to claim the spot. Massas feeble excuse was "I don't think he saw me". Of course he saw you, you utter chump - he just didn't scoot over to let you by like you wanted. IMO Massa knows this was his fault, by simple virtue of the excuse he made after the fact. Drivers almost never admit fault - when they give the other guy a pass (i.e. they don't blame him), that translates into "Yep it was my fault". Massa needs to be sacked immediately. At least Kimis problems were during attempts to pass or when he was trying to get ahead. Massa spins out with no contact at all in turn 1, then he gets into a stupid crash with DC for no real reason. He's a halfwit and a sucky driver who has absolutely NO business at all being in that car. There are probably 10 other drivers on the grid who would be *infinitely* better in that seat, like Heidfeld, Button, Vettel, Kubica, Rosberg, Kovalainen, Webber, Bourdais, Sutil and others.
Really, then how did he land on Massa's front left tire? Keep in mind they are all getting use to TC being gone, his spin and Kimi's spin (when he spun off the curb) both played a part in that. I don't care what anyone tries to tell me otherwise.
His spin at the start how do you explain that!! no one even touched him, hed compromised his race by the time of his accident with David Coulthard anyway, in which I will admit it was a close call on who's fault it was but I have to agree with Mike but with a narrower margin..60/40
I can explain it by wheel spin, he was turning right to avoid traffic in a left hand turn at speed (from my point of view) and lost control, plus the lack of TC and he was prob trying to feather the brake and gas. Even if he was behind at the point of the crash with DC, he was in front of DC and in the place he needed to be for the turn before DC was, and DC cut him off and screwed his car up once again. Well done DC!
DC had the corner, Massa tried to pass from too far back and cut into DC who already established his position. For Massa to be successful, it basically had to involve Coulthard giving him the position. Very dumb move by Massa, he should probably be penalized.
I have just re-checked he wasn't avoiding traffic he just dropped it..! driver error/lack of skill...and at no point was he in front of DC, if you think different then I really dont think you were watching the same race as me.
It's looking as if this season may be a bit of an equalizer. With traction control gone, we're seeing livelier cars and more wrestling for control. Some of the drivers on whom we've dumped praise and laurels in the past may turn out to be a bit more average than previously assumed. I don't think it's a stretch to say that Ferrari earned an "F" this weekend. From driver errors to not bringing Kimi in for tires during the safety car. As far as DC vs. Massa, if you're driving the almighty Ferrari and trying to pass the lowly Red Bull, well guess what? Welcome to the middle of the grid where battles regularly take place for points and positions. If you're going to pass someone, it isn't given to you, you gotta do it properly. And if you can't power your superior car past, then perhaps you need to hang a mirror in the garage and spend a little more time talking to the man inside it. Kimi? Fill? You boys listening?
But remember the witch hunt when Massa lost two spots trying to pass in Malaysia last year? Kimi puts himself to the back of the pack (-8 spots) with an utterly pointless attempt to pass and not only is he not condemned for it, but it's somehow Massa's fault?
Kimi made 2 driving errors, but this is not as much of a concern to me as the engine failures. This is a worry because they have to hand in their engine after the next race for homologation for the next five years. They need to fix the problem quickly.
Hmm. Mayhaps Ferrari tanked this race in order to unveil their new homologation mill in Malaysia? Machiavelli was Italian, too. (joke)
+1 I was thinking the same! And what about last years race in Melbourne? Massa started 16th and finished 6th. Today Kimi maybe could have grabbed 6th or 7th place (IF his engine didn't brake, or is it Kimi braking the engine), but if you know only 7 cars arrived, it really isn't that impressive. Without his mistakes he could have made it to the podium though! I'm not saying (thinking) Massa is a better driver, but it's a fact, all drivers make mistakes, some more then others.... For the people wishing Schumi to come back, "the best driver in the world" also made alot mistakes Guy
Mostly nonsense. Everytime an actual race takes place and unpredictable things happen and F doesn't win, it's all melodrama, this guy sucks, F sucks, bla bla etc. bring back MS. >Felipe decides to spin out on the first corner despite not having any contact. How many times did LH do similar things last season. >Felipe decides to ram Coulthard out of his way for the pass where DC had position on him. That was a great move on Massa's part. If LH had done it he would get praises. >Kimi decides to attempt to overtake Kovi without braking at all, and ends up driving through the gravel, even though he was about to pit. Doesn't make sense that he tried to pass him does it. But it was a nice pass. >Kimi somehow let Alonso and Heikki by him, not sure how though. >After watching the race, Massa sucked consistently throughout the race. Raikkonen on the other hand was brilliant (at >times) and also absolutely pitiful at others. Abs BS. Massa made a mistake, Kimi made a few. Thank God, F1 is not entirely predictable. >How much longer before Michael is back in the car?[/QUOTE] Pffaa ... momi momi, i didn't win.
Driver error - So what. Lack of skill - if that was lack of skill, the entire grid lacks skill. Only mediocre people never make mistakes/never lose control >and at no point was he in front of DC.[/QUOTE] He had half a car alongside DC. At that point the ball was in DC's court ... and he chose to have his car completely destroyed
You don't need 1 car. Irrespective, it was DC's call. Massa was committed and had nowhere else to go. >Massa needs to be sacked immediately. Funny.
What are you talking about? Hamilton didn't make mistakes like Massa did. Felipe ran right into DC, which probably contributed to FM's retirement. Kimi ended up in the gravel on his attempted pass of HK, how is that a nice pass? Massa made more than one mistake, hell he made more than one mistake on the first corner. If Ferrari continues to race like this, we'll end the season with 18 points, if Massa doesn't get his @$$ in gear, we need someone competent to help win the WCC. BTW Massa did suck yesterday, one of the worst drives I've seen in a while from a Ferrari driver. The car sucked too, two engine failures. Next time watch the race.
Both drivers sucked. Massa and Kimi. Massa made a rookie mistake in the first corner, Kimi made two rookie mistakes later on in the race. Massa's move on DC was fair and square. He had the car in and totally climbed the kerb in order to let DC room to make the corner. The service was, however,sadly not returned. DC apperantly thought he is invulnerable for Ferrari-contact (as he thought in Spa 1998) and just turned in like there was no one beside him. A remarkable mistake for someone with his experience, but thats DC for ya.
Massa's race was absolutely horrible yesterday, HORRIBLE. He managed to lose positions in one of the best cars. If he doesn't improve fast, he better find a new team. Kimi made two mistakes, while trying to pass someone. He was probably forced into those mistakes by his team who wanted him to make up positions that Massa had lost. The grass thing was stupid as was the gravel trip, but at least he was trying to attempt a pass. When Massa tried to pass DC, he had no right to pass him, and took a extremely risky attempt. At least Kimi had a chance of succeeding and didn't take anyone else out like Massa. I don't forgive either driver for the mistakes, but you can certainly understand Raikkonen's mistakes whereas Massa's mistakes baffle me.
OK, I will go find it on Youtube or something provided you're willing to put some money on you being right. I'm 100% confident DC was half a carlength in front - you say Massa was in front. Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?
