Coulthard calls Massa a Piece of ****

said the Fchat Mafia voice of reason ...

 

Excellent pass on a dumb bovine.



>If you end up in a situation like this where only sheer luck prevents your car from falling apart, then you're gambling way too much.

That's racing at its best. It's the ultimate line.

That's what racing is - it's more than just conscious thought.
After the fact, 'real time' mumbo jumbo is just fluff.

 

Wrong again about Massa. What gives here? Tonight, even all the SpeedTV guys put the blame on DC, NOT MASSA!!!! You, and all the other misguided Massa bashers, who the hell are you to know any better than those at the track or with those more experienced than you??? The stewards did not penalize Massa, the experts did not chatise Massa, only the FChat know-it-alls. Who really know NOTHING!!!!! Go figure. I am going to stop even responding to this stupidity, this is my last Massa defense post. Can't fight dumbf**ks.

I am sorry. I am just getting really tired of this totally uncalled for, amateurish bashing of Massa. He just does not deserve this. I respect most of you as people, but when it comes to this this subject, you are morons. ;}

Up yours!!!! ;} ;}


P.S. Kimi's attempt on HK in Australia was what he was told to do on the radio. And it was no different than what Massa was told to do when he tried to pass Hamilton last year when he shouldn't have tried, but did when told to do so. Both of these guys are team players, that is why I respect both of them. Blame the guys in the pits, but then, even they know more than we do. I mean more that YOU do.

Damn, I really do not like this arm chair quarterbacking. Makes some of you really nice people look really stupid.

 

A nice way to make friends on FChat.

Great! Please stick to that resolution.

 

I have stated on numerous posts here and I agree that DC has most of the blame here. And DC's past history bares that out. But you could be a little more gentle with the arm chair quartebacks here, which include us. Just my .02

 

I gave up a while ago. Ever see a little boy repeating "I don't believe in ghosts"? -- trying to convince himself of something he doesn't really believe? Or how about Shakespeare? (Methinks the laddies doeth protest too much. )

If you can get everyone in the same clubhouse to repeat the same mantra, anything can even sound reasonable ... as long as the rest of the world doesn't intrude. Those having their bashing party here don't want reality intruding.

Besides: It's like arguing with a broken record. It doesn't convince the record player, and it makes you feel silly for trying.

 

Remeber we are all sycophants.....

 

guess you didn't see the pics i posted where massa was along side dc way before the corner.

 

so you say you should pass using the racing line? i guess you could just radio your crew, have them walk over to the other crew and they could radio their guy to move off the race line for you so you could pass. You don't have to have the race line to take a corner, you have to have the inside line. like massa did way before the corner. When you see another car alongside with the inside line (dc admitted he saw him) you are not allowed to turn into the guys car. that's exactly what dc did. anyone else would have gone at least 1 car width wide. if massa overshot it, he would have run into dc and it would have been his fault. that's not what happened. so you say if your front wheel is nearly even with the other guys front wheel before the turn (as in the pic) and you are on the inside you don't have the line? dc didn't call his bluff, he turned into his car. and dc dnf'd. if nothing else, dumb move.

 

I gave up a long time ago; it's not worth arguing with people who cannot ever admit being wrong. Besides, arguing online is pretty useless and immature. It gets no one anywhere and only makes people look like schmucks when they have nothing better to do then argue with someone they have nver met about something they don't control. Some of the Massa bashers who blame Massa for everything from Kimi throwing the car of the road last week to global warming and the war in Iraq are pathetic...they really have to have something more important to worry about than Massa. Some of them act like it is a personal attack on them when Massa does something good or someone supports him. They try to turn everything into a Massa v. Kimi thread or just throw in Massa jabs when he was never even brought up. It's really sad.

Mark

 

so what you are saying here is, if a driver "pre-establishes" a line in his head, and another car is already there, he can just run into him? are you an idiot? Here is a crazy idea, you look in your mirror and see the picture below, you decide that the car next to you is going were you want to go, you don't go there! if you do, you hit the other guy and your out of the race! brilliant! How can you look at this pick and not see that massa has the inside line (not the "racing" line) going into this corner? dc was next to massa and turned right into massa, massa didn't run into dc. you are not supposed to run into other drivers.
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In my opinion Massa was being agressive trying to get back to a better spot on the grid. This is not the first time this has happened in F1, Michael Schumacher and Montoya are famous for being agressive and I've seen them doing the same thing before while they were trying to overtake someone...I think it was a mistake made by both drivers, and Coulthard should just be quiet instead of calling other drivers piece of sh*t. People are hating on Massa for a long time for no reason, maybe because he's from Brazil? I really don't know. But if I'm not mistaken his help was essential for Kimi's championship last year on the last race. He hasn't been a horrible driver! If Ferrari gets it together this year we will see who's better in the team, Kimi or Massa.

 

Spoilsport.......I like arguing with SRTMike and suggesting he be banned! And besides my believing Massa doesn't deserve a seat at Ferrari, I have been the biggest defender of his pass on this thread? So it's not just Massa lovers that thought his pass attempt was a good one.
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perhaps when Massa wins a WDC (without Kimi, or Hami breaking their legs or whatnot), then the bashing might stop, until then, quit your whining, and yapping that everyone here is an idiot, and that they don't know what they're talking about... apparently you are the biggest 'know it all' here on F-chat, always crying like a baby when others don't eat up your Massa BS... get over it!!!

 

I agree with SpeedTV, Ron, and anyone else who is on par with the comment about how DC should of known better and should have let Massa have that turn. Line or no line, its still racing and Massa did not turn in on DC, DC turned in on Massa thinking he might just drive off track or move and thats been a common DC move for years.

I'm done with this subject as well...

 

WRONG. How can you look at that pic and not know that Massa should NOT BE THERE? Maybe becasue you've never been in a race car? At that point DC is not looking in his mirrors, nor should he be. He is looking at the apex and driving his line. He is ahead, and has the reasonable expectation that no one is going to be in a stupid place, as Massa is in that pic. DC didn't look at Massa and decide to drive into him, he expected that Massa would have sense enough not to put his car where it didn't belong, and drove accordingly.

You lot have no clue. At the point where that pic was taken, DC had no option. Even if he saw Massa, his only choice was to maintain his line or throw the car off the road to the outside. At that point, he's on the brakes and turning in (that's called trail braking for those following along at home) and depending on both having his line and having the grip afforded by the line to make it around the corner. Saying "oh he should just drive wide" is idiotic. If he does that he's on the marbles and loses grip, can't brake OR turn in as he needs to. Basically, at this point DC is just as committed to the corner as Massa, but Coulthard IS IN FRONT! Massa should have thrown HIS car off the road to the inside, as HE was the one who put his car where it DIDN'T BELONG!

Massa created a situation where ONE OF THEM was going off the track. The fact that he didn't get his nose in front means HE was the one who should have paid the price for his indiscretion.

And one more time: I hate DC, but not enough to be blind to the facts. and no, I don't care what any commentator says even brundle, who I respect. in this case he's wrong.

 

Uhhh, I respect Massa as much as anyone, but I don't think there is any real question of who the better driver in the team is. You only need to look at the race results for Sepang to know.

- Joe

 

Really?!?

Which reality is that?

The reality that Massa is demonstrating a complete inability to control his car without TC? The reality that for the second race in a row Massa has scored NO points completely through unforced driver error?

The reality that Massa has yet to help Ferrari win the WCC on track? The reality that among the drivers in the top two teams, Massa is heading for yet another 4th out of 4 finish? The reality that Massa is going to continue his string of finsihing behind his teammate for yet another year in his career?

The reality that so many of the Massa supporters here complaining about the rest of us not supporting the team are also among the MANY names calling for Kimi's head last season?

The reality is that if Massa were not driving a Ferrari, virtually none of you would ever mention his name.

Which reality are you talking about? The truth of the matter here is that so many of you Massa supporters are too busy making up continued excuses for his failures to stop and think about how detrimental to the team his performance is rapidly becoming. He does not belong in a Ferrari. Period.

 

+1

Clearly...

 

On the press interviews Davd Coulthard put his dress on, and wimped out.

 

Is this an admission that Massa will out point Alonso this season? lol

 

there's no reasoning with the Shumassa lot! yep, those claiming Massa bashers are not 'real' tifosi, are in fact bashers themselves. covert bias being disguised as 'team support'. they know who i'm talking about!

 

haha.. seriously though, think it may end up close... which should NEVER happen, Alonso is in a faaaaar slower car. but on the other hand, we've seen what Shumassa can do in a top car. it's a good wager!

 

+1 LOL Yeh ,more fake than a tranny's fanny

It want be long now till they jump ship.... ermmm now let me guess Kubica ..me think's..Ha ha

 

I was referring to the 4 McLaren and Ferrari drivers in and of themselves. I expect Massa to be outpointed by several more drivers as well, Alonso among them.