Global Cooling now suspected?

I have been noticing news reports of surprising findings over the past 2 or 3 years - that in fact we have been in a cooling trend rather than one of warming.

I don't suppose this is going to stop the car & petroleum haters for one moment, but is there at least a chance that some of them might cut down a little on the fear mongering?

 

I saw something a few days ago about some buoys recording slight drops in ocean temperature. This drop in temperature can only be related to the burning of fossil fuels which are putting up a cloud of gas that is blocking sunlight and bringing a global ice age upon us.

 

You forgot to mention that the ice caps on Mars are reportedly melting. We believe this is due to the CO2 emissions on the mars rover.

Mercury is actually shrinking. It hasn't changed mass but creases/wrinkles are starting to become more pronounced. Apparently Mercury is cooling off too.

 

I hear Al Gore is working on the production of "An Inconvenient Lie" as we speak.

 

I've noticed a switch to a more "carbon emissions" focus. Who can argue that there are more cars etc. spewing junk into the air? So, that's the "fail safe" excuse they'll be using to tax you more regardless of whether the planet happens to be cooling down a bit.

 

I was also watching a History Channel on the era when the vikings tried to put a settlement on Greenland. They said that the global climate was several degrees warmer then (before the so-called "little ice age"), so it was fairly habitable.

Later, the climate cooled by several degrees and drove them back from the settlements. The theory was that all the melting polar ice at this time in history short circuited the Atlantic conveyor flow and brought about a rapid cooling of the Northern Hemisphere. And all this happened long before there were coal fired electric plants or gasolene automobiles.

What I am starting to think is that there are many complex issues at work here, and like SrfCty says, some people simply want to stir up a frenzy basically in order to tax things and people that they dislike.

Like Ferraris, and the people who drive them.

 

That's our government for you. I don't see how anyone can believe a word they say. They just keep adding new taxes.

I've watched that show a few times.

 

Global cooling is because of cars!!!

 

You are correct. I forgot to mention it I was in too big of a hurry to buy some of AlGORE'S carbon credits or whaterver the $@(% he calls them.. Follow the money

 

LOL

Shrinkage...it was shrinkage in the water!!

 

All I can say is that we have record snow fall here. 503 centimeters up to date this season. And awaiting 10 more tonight!
My street is a snow canyon and it's not even a joke. So please stop giving me cr@p about global warming...Pleeeeeeeeese!

 

I'm ready to sue. I want a refund from all those BS global warming related taxes and fees that did not ask me if I wanted to contribute, they just reached in my wallet and took it. I'm livid.

 

Anytime I mention something about Global Warming, people will jump down my throat and tell me im so ignorant for not seeing the truth


Antony

 

I love those people!

 

Me too...especially when they turn really rabid; this foaming at the mouth is especially reserved for various respected Oceanographic or Meteorological scientists who dare to put forward a slightly different theory or say that perhaps we do not yet understand all the phenomena involved.

I think it is a serious subject for sure; but just a little reasoning on the mini-Ice Age that followed the warm cycle (when no cars or power plants at all were in play) would seem to tell me that things can happen in the climate over which we have absolutely no control at all. Like a hurricane - it is childish to think you could stop one with a hydrogen bomb, like some of the nutters claimed we should have done for Katrina.

A careful study of the Ozone layer, and the screaming over Chlorine-Fluorine A/C compounds (which we are still using in slightly different "newly patented" forms) makes me wonder over the feasibility of "global" engineering via political processes - I.E. "Carbon Credits".

Also, I think that cars are taking on a great deal of the psychological propaganda: If, as some think, they are really only about 20% of the carbon footprint, you would certainly think they were 80% or more from the media coverage.

 

Aren't there a few scientists that have been basically, "shunned" from all organizations, etc because they don't agree with the rest of the scientists about global warming.

The Earth, being what it is, an almost unimaginably tough and flexible environment. It would seem to me that the Earth always adjust things to accomodate and increase/decrease in other things. Over a period of time of course.

 

Exacly wasn't the Exxon Valdez going to destroy the water there worse than Chernobyl destroyed the area it contaminated

 

Correct. If climate change is occurring, the earth will adapt...but mankind may not and take a lot of other species with it. Then give it another 500,000 years and we'll be back again.

 

I saw another show about the Clovis people (first settlers of North America), and they talked about the short ice age about 12000 years ago. The theory is that is was caused by a disruption in the the Atlantic "Conveyor Belt of Life". I learned it is not only the difference in temperature, but also the salinity of the artic water. Basically, the less salty, the less the water cycles back toward the equator. As the glaciers receded past the Great Lakes, the North Atlantic got a huge dump of fresh water, and this caused the Belt to stop.

But this appears to support my own personal layman's position, that the Earth is largely self-regulating in the long term. The "Mini Ice Age" was only a few years. As the northern latitudes cooled, ice and glaciers built back up, locking the fresh water. This allowed the ocean to become saltier again, the Belt picked up speed again, and carried the equatorial warmth north again.

 

No laughing! This is a SERIOUS matter. We need to do something NOW, so that our children have a save place to grow up.

 

I've always wondered about the panic over the ozone 'hole' over Antartica. We've had satellites orbiting only 40 years or so, spotty scientific research in an inhospitable area, yet the sky is falling?

 

That's the one that tilted my green credulity meter. Ozone is an unstable molecule. It falls apart on its own. It takes an energy source to create ozone. In the upper stratosphere, the only energy source is -- solar radiation. (E.g. the ozone isn't the means of UV absorption -- it's the by-product) And the hole is over antarctica -- a well-known fun-in-the-sun locale.

But they don't ask if it's normal: intead they stick a flag in it and claim it for the US of A: "That's ours: we did that with our hairspray cans!".

Why antarctica, when most of the industrial nations are in the northern hemisphere? Why isn't there a bigger one over the north pole?

Or, for that matter, if it was caused by hairspray, why isn't the hole over Brooklyn?

You will find, after a time, that "political correctness" usually isn't "correct" by any other metric.

(Have you heard them debating in MD over how spraying someone with a garden hose can be a form of "sexual assault"? A career in politics seems to require the ability to disconnect from sanity.)

 

Yes, it is serious. Also serious is the idea of just "DOING SOMETHING NOW", no matter what it may be, because we have been told to "be very afraid".

What I am objecting to is the idea that if we suddenly stop driving cars, trucks and busses (not to mention railroads, ships, and airplanes) and shut down most electrical power in North America, this will somehow make things better for our children.

BTW, I think you may have misspelled "safe".

James

 

I've always wondered how blasting **** up into space affect the ozone layer.

I never hear environmentalists wanting to stop space travel.

 

uh oh, I'm sure DC will soon pass a law making volcanic explosions illegal bcus they are a huge factor in global cooling