Yeah, it costs your soul to belong over there. I used to post there, but the attitude made me a little nausiated.
After reading Roy's explanation on page 2 of this thread, it is clear to me what happened and I don't blame Roy. Unfortunately, the buyer might still have to sue Roy and then Roy would have to cross claim against the dealer in Vegas and they would have to cross claim against the "customer" who sold it to them and the leasing company. I think any judge would find that the guy that bought it from Roy was an innocent buyer...as was Roy and the Las Vegas dealer. The negligence of the leasing company lead to their own damages....I think ultimately, Roy's buyer should get the car back or be made whole by the leasing company (ultimately). Just my 2 cents. The fact that Roy's buyer hasn't got himself an attorney yet makes me wonder about him, his level of maturity and his ability to handle business.
Here's my prediction. Leasing company files for lost title paperwork. New title is issued and car is sold to a new owner some time in the next few days. **TO 360Spyder GO GET A LAWYER NOW. TURN ON THE FREAKING MAURY POVICH SHOW, THERE ARE ALWAYS LAWYERS ADVERTISING ON THAT SHOW.
The judge would probably scratch his head after reading the OP's posts. "The Texas Hammer" - Jim Adler...."The tough smart lawyer." Someone asked that already. It was after he was de-cuffed.
Is it against the law for the leasing company to have sent out the title? sorry if it is a silly question but i'm not familiar with the way stuff like this works in the usa. but i was thinking if it's not against the law to send the title to the fraudster. then josh will sue roy, josh will get his money. roy will sue lv (a little awkward if lv and roy are friends) and roy will get his money. the leasing company has their car now and will auction it and get their money too. in the end the only party out of pocket will be lv because he will have to sue the fraudster who has since fled the country.
Figured I had to weigh in from the Peanut Gallery. Something's not right about all of this. There is a reason 360 has not gotten a lawyer, and it's not because he can't find one, and it's not because he can't afford one. I have no idea why, but there's something else going on that has yet to be brought forth......it just all smells fishy.
+1. Something happened in Washington awhile ago with a slightly different set of facts. The purschaser in the end was deemed an innocent buyer in the course of business - even though the owner had reported the car stolen and had the cops come get it. The innocent buyer who immediately hired an attorney won the right to the car and got it back. I really cannot understand why 360spider hasn't gotten an attorney. It has been suggested how many times and on how many forums?
That's the real mind-boggling thing --- 360, why haven't you retained an attorney? No one here can help you if you won't help yourself. Steve
Josh are u a law abiding citizen that has earned his money legally and can prove that the cash you used to buy the car is clean money? If so then get off your butt and get a lawyer. If not then I would quietly dissapear if I was you. At the moment I believe you are in the right and you will get either the car or the money back. But the longer you stay without a lawyer the more ppl are thinking that there is a reason why you do not want to involve the law.
If you look at 360's post history on LP, it will come as no surprise that he has not retained an attorney. Over there he posts under the screen name "The Cat Killer". Honestly, I don't think that he wants to solve the problem. He just wants to tell everyone about it.
Got to be careful, in the city there are GREAT deals on forclosures, but in the suburbs the forclosures are being bid over what the bank has into them. Friend looking for a bigger home in the north Macomb area looked at a 4,400 sft home that the bank had for $370,000 that eventually sold for $440,000.
MODERATOR: If the car was indeed never reported stolen, how about changing the title of this thread? It is very misleading!
There are two sides to making things right in a business deal like this, and two sides to making someone whole, and therefore two ways of being smart: 1. The legal way focused on the techincal legal recourse you have 2. The personable way based on who you feel you are and what you stand to lose by proceeding as per #1 And any mix thereof. Having slept on it, Roy, if you just cut Josh a check today, for $100,000+ to refund his money, that would be business loss for you, fully tax deductable. You would also in exchange for that payment rebuy title to the vehicle from Josh/360. You tax deduction would apply until whatever you got the car back into your controlled possesion and then you'd have to recapture that deduction, and deal with the car from here. Yes, you would have lost the money, perhaps permanently, perhaps not, but according to others here you're 'worth' $150Million and if that IS REALLY TRUE, cutting a check like that is no big deal. In doing so you could also have had Josh sign a binding non-disclose, that he would never speak of this or he owes you triple the refund, etc. I wrote in an earlier post about the PR cost of such an issue as this. I can say without a shadow of a doubt, this thread and the people with deep pockets exposed to it who have may or may have not purchased a car from you or given you their car for sale - has now cost you and your business more than the $100,000 refund - and if you're a smart businessman, you can probably add that up.
Im calling left nut... Something Fishy Going on here... Seriously if Josh can memorize a phone book he sure as hell should be able to find the proper section for representation... ... ... Something smells... Image Unavailable, Please Login
Maybe he's stalling, to see if Roy will just crack and give him the damn money back. I know it wasn't mentioned here, but was the car financed to 360? From the sound of things no, sort of looks like he paid in cash for it. It's one thing to maybe have to make payments to the bank for a few months while you figure out how to get your car back, but to be out a giant hunk of cash, now that has some sting to it!
You are 100% correct. It is a decision that each business owner has to make. I do not think it has anything to do with the fact that I may or may not have 150 or 300 million dollars. For me it has to do with the facts and the way this was brought to my attention and the way JOSH had decided to approach it. For the record, JOSH NEVER contacted me till he had posted here and everywhere else about this incident, then a full 48 hours latter, he calls and ask's for my help...yep...the call was mine and I am sticking by it.. Go ahead, kick me in the nuts for not doing anything wrong...drag my name through the mud,.......but please call me 48 hours later and ask me to help you.
I'm inclined to agree. After reading his responses on this thread and the one on LP, I simply can not believe that a 24-year-old could be that helpless. Especially not one who claims to be a business owner that has managed to scrape together $100k+ in cash to purchase an exotic car. Nope. That dog just don't hunt.
